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Re: Dermott Re-Signs
« Reply #15 on: October 23, 2020, 04:18:36 PM »
As Burkie would say a "soft skill" guy. Not overly impressed with anything he does and at any higher of cap hit I would pass.

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Muzzin/Rielly/Brodie

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Of Group 2 I would give Bogosian a roster spot because of the different style of play he brings compared to the rest of the group. The rest of group 2 will have to battle to distinguish themselves from the rest.

I am just glad Marinicin isn't our depth guy anymore.
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« Reply #16 on: October 23, 2020, 04:34:46 PM »
A shade over league-min for Dermott, basically making what he's always made since entering the league. The parade of useful lower-class players being slightly underpaid continues for the Leafs! The Big Four need to be buying those team dinners for sure. After gargantuan income taxes, agent fees and other fees, I think they walk away with about 40%.

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« Reply #17 on: October 23, 2020, 04:47:26 PM »
That?s pretty slick how they rounded out the roster while staying under the cap.   Colour me impressed

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« Reply #18 on: October 23, 2020, 04:57:09 PM »
It seems borderline unfair to the player.

RFA Matt Grzelcyk just signed $14.75M over 4yrs (AAV $3.69 M). Grzelcyk has a career 0.27/points-per-game over 197 games. Dermott has a 0.26/PPG over 151 games.

Obviously Dermott is worth more than his qualifying offer but doesn't have arbitration rights so he's in a tough spot.

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« Reply #19 on: October 23, 2020, 04:59:23 PM »
That?s pretty slick how they rounded out the roster while staying under the cap.   Colour me impressed

I agree. If they had of dumped Kerfoot instead of Johnsson I'd be really happy, but maybe Anderson will be a good fit.

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Re: Dermott Re-Signs
« Reply #20 on: October 23, 2020, 06:04:50 PM »
As Burkie would say a "soft skill" guy. Not overly impressed with anything he does and at any higher of cap hit I would pass.

Group 1:
Muzzin/Rielly/Brodie

Group 2:
Holl/Lehtonen/Dermott/Sandin/Bogosian

Of Group 2 I would give Bogosian a roster spot because of the different style of play he brings compared to the rest of the group. The rest of group 2 will have to battle to distinguish themselves from the rest.

I am just glad Marinicin isn't our depth guy anymore.
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Re: Dermott Re-Signs
« Reply #21 on: October 23, 2020, 06:43:24 PM »
It seems borderline unfair to the player.

I would say though that this is a situation where not having cap space almost certainly prevented the Leafs from signing a longer term thing that could have had real rewards for the Club if Dermott develops into more of a top 4 guy.

Yeah, I think that's where I'm coming from. This deal for Dermott seems more borne out of cap compliance than it does anything else; it's hard to look at the 2 yr deal Engvall at the same age was given last year on a relatively short sample, and feel good about how Dermott got forced into a "show me" deal.

Maybe I'm just showing a bit of bias for dermott. He seems like a good kid.

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Re: Dermott Re-Signs
« Reply #22 on: October 23, 2020, 07:00:12 PM »
It seems borderline unfair to the player.

I would say though that this is a situation where not having cap space almost certainly prevented the Leafs from signing a longer term thing that could have had real rewards for the Club if Dermott develops into more of a top 4 guy.

Yeah, I think that's where I'm coming from. This deal for Dermott seems more borne out of cap compliance than it does anything else; it's hard to look at the 2 yr deal Engvall at the same age was given last year on a relatively short sample, and feel good about how Dermott got forced into a "show me" deal.

Maybe I'm just showing a bit of bias for dermott. He seems like a good kid.
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« Reply #23 on: October 23, 2020, 07:11:16 PM »
Slightly different market situation when Engvall signed vs Dermott. However, the contract difference is now why Engvall likely gets relegated as a waiver-exempt loan, while Dermott will be involved in the top-7 defensemen.
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« Reply #24 on: October 23, 2020, 07:20:54 PM »
The curiosity with overachieving 3rd pair defenders with good underlying numbers is always going to be whether they can make the shift to top-4. Is Dermott a Nate Schmidt or Colin Miller?
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« Reply #25 on: October 23, 2020, 08:08:07 PM »
That?s pretty slick how they rounded out the roster while staying under the cap.   Colour me impressed

I agree. If they had of dumped Kerfoot instead of Johnsson I'd be really happy, but maybe Anderson will be a good fit.

So are you just happy then? I'm glad they kept Kerfoot over AJ. I think he has more upside and is a lot better defensively. Good signing though with Dermott. Would rather have hom as a 7th then Marincin.

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« Reply #26 on: October 23, 2020, 08:10:48 PM »
I can never remember what "wins over replacement" (that's what WAR is, right?) measures, but what I glean from this table is Rielly is the third most terrible defenseman in the league.  8) :o

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Re: Dermott Re-Signs
« Reply #27 on: October 23, 2020, 08:18:02 PM »
That?s pretty slick how they rounded out the roster while staying under the cap.   Colour me impressed

I agree. If they had of dumped Kerfoot instead of Johnsson I'd be really happy, but maybe Anderson will be a good fit.

So are you just happy then? I'm glad they kept Kerfoot over AJ. I think he has more upside and is a lot better defensively. Good signing though with Dermott. Would rather have hom as a 7th then Marincin.

I'd have kept Kerfoot because he can play centre.

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Re: Dermott Re-Signs
« Reply #28 on: October 23, 2020, 08:43:17 PM »
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Re: Dermott Re-Signs
« Reply #29 on: October 23, 2020, 08:45:30 PM »
another example of the bloody salary cap... the discussion about paycheques....  >:(