Dermott Re-Signs

[cabber24]

As Burkie would say a "soft skill" guy. Not overly impressed with anything he does and at any higher of cap hit I would pass.

Group 1:
Muzzin/Rielly/Brodie

Group 2:
Holl/Lehtonen/Dermott/Sandin/Bogosian

Of Group 2 I would give Bogosian a roster spot because of the different style of play he brings compared to the rest of the group. The rest of group 2 will have to battle to distinguish themselves from the rest.

I am just glad Marinicin isn't our depth guy anymore.

[disco]

A shade over league-min for Dermott, basically making what he's always made since entering the league. The parade of useful lower-class players being slightly underpaid continues for the Leafs! The Big Four need to be buying those team dinners for sure. After gargantuan income taxes, agent fees and other fees, I think they walk away with about 40%.

[L K]

That?s pretty slick how they rounded out the roster while staying under the cap.   Colour me impressed

[Dappleganger]

It seems borderline unfair to the player.

RFA Matt Grzelcyk just signed $14.75M over 4yrs (AAV $3.69 M). Grzelcyk has a career 0.27/points-per-game over 197 games. Dermott has a 0.26/PPG over 151 games.

Obviously Dermott is worth more than his qualifying offer but doesn't have arbitration rights so he's in a tough spot.

[Dappleganger]

That?s pretty slick how they rounded out the roster while staying under the cap.   Colour me impressed

I agree. If they had of dumped Kerfoot instead of Johnsson I'd be really happy, but maybe Anderson will be a good fit.

[Bender]

As Burkie would say a "soft skill" guy. Not overly impressed with anything he does and at any higher of cap hit I would pass.

Group 1:
Muzzin/Rielly/Brodie

Group 2:
Holl/Lehtonen/Dermott/Sandin/Bogosian

Of Group 2 I would give Bogosian a roster spot because of the different style of play he brings compared to the rest of the group. The rest of group 2 will have to battle to distinguish themselves from the rest.

I am just glad Marinicin isn't our depth guy anymore.

You wouldn't retain a 23 y.o. developing dman for anything more than his minimum q.o.? Really?

[Frycer14]

It seems borderline unfair to the player.

I would say though that this is a situation where not having cap space almost certainly prevented the Leafs from signing a longer term thing that could have had real rewards for the Club if Dermott develops into more of a top 4 guy.

Yeah, I think that's where I'm coming from. This deal for Dermott seems more borne out of cap compliance than it does anything else; it's hard to look at the 2 yr deal Engvall at the same age was given last year on a relatively short sample, and feel good about how Dermott got forced into a "show me" deal.

Maybe I'm just showing a bit of bias for dermott. He seems like a good kid.

[Highlander]

It seems borderline unfair to the player.

I would say though that this is a situation where not having cap space almost certainly prevented the Leafs from signing a longer term thing that could have had real rewards for the Club if Dermott develops into more of a top 4 guy.

Yeah, I think that's where I'm coming from. This deal for Dermott seems more borne out of cap compliance than it does anything else; it's hard to look at the 2 yr deal Engvall at the same age was given last year on a relatively short sample, and feel good about how Dermott got forced into a "show me" deal.

Maybe I'm just showing a bit of bias for dermott. He seems like a good kid.

You are and he is a nice kid. He's got a lot of time to cash in, in his career.

[herman]

Slightly different market situation when Engvall signed vs Dermott. However, the contract difference is now why Engvall likely gets relegated as a waiver-exempt loan, while Dermott will be involved in the top-7 defensemen.

[herman]

Is Travis Dermott on the best value contract in the NHL? Well I did the math... pic.twitter.com/HUDIubAs6F

— Chris Faria (@ChrisFariaTO) October 23, 2020

The curiosity with overachieving 3rd pair defenders with good underlying numbers is always going to be whether they can make the shift to top-4. Is Dermott a Nate Schmidt or Colin Miller?

[Guilt Trip]

That?s pretty slick how they rounded out the roster while staying under the cap.   Colour me impressed

I agree. If they had of dumped Kerfoot instead of Johnsson I'd be really happy, but maybe Anderson will be a good fit.

So are you just happy then? I'm glad they kept Kerfoot over AJ. I think he has more upside and is a lot better defensively. Good signing though with Dermott. Would rather have hom as a 7th then Marincin.

[Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate]

I can never remember what "wins over replacement" (that's what WAR is, right?) measures, but what I glean from this table is Rielly is the third most terrible defenseman in the league. 

[Deebo]

That?s pretty slick how they rounded out the roster while staying under the cap.   Colour me impressed

I agree. If they had of dumped Kerfoot instead of Johnsson I'd be really happy, but maybe Anderson will be a good fit.

So are you just happy then? I'm glad they kept Kerfoot over AJ. I think he has more upside and is a lot better defensively. Good signing though with Dermott. Would rather have hom as a 7th then Marincin.

I'd have kept Kerfoot because he can play centre.

[herman]

Travis Dermott is very good at preventing both shots and quality shots. This may be due to his ability to transition the puck effectively. We have him as adding 3.5 standings points above replacement last season over 56 games which was worth $8.6 million. pic.twitter.com/Ia9oYDCBju

— Evolving-Hockey (@EvolvingHockey) October 24, 2020

[caveman]

another example of the bloody salary cap... the discussion about paycheques....