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Re: Willy
« Reply #45 on: February 26, 2021, 11:43:45 AM »
Most people don't really notice these things, unfortunately.

Oh, they notice the 1 out of 10 time it doesn't work.

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« Reply #46 on: February 26, 2021, 12:23:23 PM »
I don't understand the folks that excessively praise him as much as I don't understand those that excessively dump on him.

He has not been what we'd hoped this year. Neither defensively or offensively. He's had his 2nd benching in Keefe's short coaching career. He's got amazing skill, but he has to cut down on the defensive puckwatching, and bring less floating and more intensity to his game more consistently.

The team would be crazy to trade him for less than a high value piece, and his fans should not have to do selective stat dives and point out subtleties to show his value. There's lots of room for improvement in his game.
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Re: Willy
« Reply #47 on: February 26, 2021, 12:29:55 PM »
I don't understand the folks that excessively praise him as much as I don't understand those that excessively dump on him.

He has not been what we'd hoped this year. Neither defensively or offensively. He's had his 2nd benching in Keefe's short coaching career. He's got amazing skill, but he has to cut down on the defensive puckwatching, and bring less floating and more intensity to his game more consistently.

The team would be crazy to trade him for less than a high value piece, and his fans should not have to do selective stat dives and point out subtleties to show his value. There's lots of room for improvement in his game.
If there was a "like" button on these forums, I would have pressed it for this. You nailed it Frycer!

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Re: Willy
« Reply #48 on: February 26, 2021, 01:22:20 PM »
If there was a "like" button on these forums, I would have pressed it for this. You nailed it Frycer!

I thought I made it clear that you were to post an hour after mine, so that it looked more authentic. Instead of a family size bag of pork rinds as promised, you'll only get the single serving.

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Re: Willy
« Reply #49 on: February 26, 2021, 01:51:57 PM »
I don't understand the folks that excessively praise him as much as I don't understand those that excessively dump on him.

He has not been what we'd hoped this year. Neither defensively or offensively. He's had his 2nd benching in Keefe's short coaching career. He's got amazing skill, but he has to cut down on the defensive puckwatching, and bring less floating and more intensity to his game more consistently.

The team would be crazy to trade him for less than a high value piece, and his fans should not have to do selective stat dives and point out subtleties to show his value. There's lots of room for improvement in his game.
If there was a "like" button on these forums, I would have pressed it for this. You nailed it Frycer!
Absolutely. Bang on Frycer.

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Re: Willy
« Reply #50 on: February 26, 2021, 02:48:19 PM »
The team would be crazy to trade him for less than a high value piece, and his fans should not have to do selective stat dives and point out subtleties to show his value. There's lots of room for improvement in his game.

But sort of indirectly you've shown why those "selective" stat dives are used by people, namely because the people who aren't inclined to give him credit for much and haven't been over what everyone in the world would agree has been a less than ideal start to his season dismiss what the actual numbers always said about him.

His production, for instance, was never "bad". He was never on pace for point or goal totals that anyone would look at and say "Man, what a crappy season for anyone relied on to be a secondary scorer on a good team" but when you would point that out in relation to the criticism he was facing you'd get "Well, it's not really about the scoring numbers but the other things".

So it's not that anyone ever needed to bring up his possession numbers to establish that the criticism was over the top it was that the people criticizing him didn't want to hear "He's still on pace for 20 goals and 60 points over 82 games which is pretty good".

As for the rest of it the "less floating" or whatever, again, I don't think that strictly speaking anyone ever needed to bring up his advanced stats to show that regardless of what sort of labels his critics wanted to apply, generally good things were still happening with him on the ice but if you used the other argument of "The less floating/more intensity crap has been said about every single offensively talented player on the Leafs during their slumps dating back to probably Vince Damphousse and wanting Nylander to become Ryan O'Reilly is not a legitimate standard to hold him up against" well, again, it would mainly fall on deaf ears.
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Re: Willy
« Reply #51 on: February 27, 2021, 06:49:43 PM »
I don't understand the folks that excessively praise him as much as I don't understand those that excessively dump on him.

He has not been what we'd hoped this year. Neither defensively or offensively. He's had his 2nd benching in Keefe's short coaching career. He's got amazing skill, but he has to cut down on the defensive puckwatching, and bring less floating and more intensity to his game more consistently.

The team would be crazy to trade him for less than a high value piece, and his fans should not have to do selective stat dives and point out subtleties to show his value. There's lots of room for improvement in his game.

Agree with you 100%. He needs to bring up the compete level and on a more consistent basis. Great seeing him pot 2 goals the other night but I'm not getting too excited. Needs to play hard every night at both ends of the ice. Until he does that on a nightly basis he's going to continue getting the criticism.