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Re: Jimmy Vesey is finally a Leaf - 1yr 900k
« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2020, 08:37:07 AM »
Remember how last offseason we stocked up on Shore and Agostino and Gravel etc and it was clear most of them would just be AHL call-ups?

What?s confusing for some is that we are hearing a lot of NHL names come in (that sort of suck in some way) but can?t quite fathom that a lot of them also call-up depth depending on how training camp shakes out. Of the bottom 6/pair options, only Simmonds, Engvall, and Kerfoot impact the cap after an AHL loan.

The cap crunch actually helped push more talent down the pay ladder and the Leafs are taking advantage because they can do one-way deals all day; some players even got a firsthand look at the AHL level facilities here (if there is an AHL season at all). It will be a compressed season either way and having a lot of hungry subs goes a long way to keeping the team competitive and ready for potential injuries.

There probably isn't an answer to this one but what happens with these guys if the NHL goes ahead with a season but the AHL doesn't.  Obviously teams will be able to demote guys off the roster to be roster size compliant but what are the impacts of these guys if they don't have a place to play off the roster.  Do the Leafs abuse this system by having 20 guys signed to below cap cost contracts in the AHL ready to go for depth if fringe players aren't sure they will get a contract otherwise. 

900K to practice all year being more worthwhile than no income?

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Re: Jimmy Vesey is finally a Leaf - 1yr 900k
« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2020, 10:01:53 AM »
Remember how last offseason we stocked up on Shore and Agostino and Gravel etc and it was clear most of them would just be AHL call-ups?

What?s confusing for some is that we are hearing a lot of NHL names come in (that sort of suck in some way) but can?t quite fathom that a lot of them also call-up depth depending on how training camp shakes out. Of the bottom 6/pair options, only Simmonds, Engvall, and Kerfoot impact the cap after an AHL loan.

The cap crunch actually helped push more talent down the pay ladder and the Leafs are taking advantage because they can do one-way deals all day; some players even got a firsthand look at the AHL level facilities here (if there is an AHL season at all). It will be a compressed season either way and having a lot of hungry subs goes a long way to keeping the team competitive and ready for potential injuries.

There probably isn't an answer to this one but what happens with these guys if the NHL goes ahead with a season but the AHL doesn't.  Obviously teams will be able to demote guys off the roster to be roster size compliant but what are the impacts of these guys if they don't have a place to play off the roster.  Do the Leafs abuse this system by having 20 guys signed to below cap cost contracts in the AHL ready to go for depth if fringe players aren't sure they will get a contract otherwise. 

900K to practice all year being more worthwhile than no income?
900K in the A is worth more then playing in the NHL because there is no escrow. As for paying everyone on a one way apparently they can do what they want as there is no limit.

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Re: Jimmy Vesey is finally a Leaf - 1yr 900k
« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2020, 10:14:28 AM »
Two-way deals are only for owners without cash. We do straight Marlies deals for those who want to be in the development system but know they aren't making the NHL in the next 2-3 years (e.g. Brazeau, Hoefenmayer): no escrow, higher than ELC pay if necessary (70k), Leafs get to keep the SPC slot open.

I think we'll see something similar to the bubble situation: expanded roster limits with some cap accounting rules that simulate the regular season (buriable max, etc). The compressed schedule will cause opportunities enough on its own.
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Re: Jimmy Vesey is finally a Leaf - 1yr 900k
« Reply #33 on: October 12, 2020, 11:35:52 AM »
Two-way deals are only for owners without cash. We do straight Marlies deals for those who want to be in the development system but know they aren't making the NHL in the next 2-3 years (e.g. Brazeau, Hoefenmayer): no escrow, higher than ELC pay if necessary (70k), Leafs get to keep the SPC slot open.

I think we'll see something similar to the bubble situation: expanded roster limits with some cap accounting rules that simulate the regular season (buriable max, etc). The compressed schedule will cause opportunities enough on its own.
The Leafs are setting themselves up quite nicely. It will be interesting to see what happens going forward. The ECHL is going to fire it up....wonder if the AHL will.
https://www.echl.com/news/2020/10/echl-confirms-start-date-for-2020-21-season