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Ranking Prospects 2020-2021
« on: June 16, 2020, 11:12:02 AM »
Top 25 under 25 is going to be weird until the draft
Check out last season's thread. As I'm posting this well in advance of the Draft and associated transactions, this post is malleable.

2020 Eligible:2020's list2019's list
Adam Brooks
Artur Akhtyamov
Auston Matthews
Axel Rindell
Denis Malgin
Dmitry Ovchinnikov
Eemeli Rasanen
Egor Korshkov
Filip Hallander
Filip Kral
Ian Scott
JD Greenway
Jeremy Bracco
Jeremy McKenna*
Jesper Lindgren
Joe Miller
Joey Anderson
John Fusco
Joseph Duszak
Joseph Woll
Justin Brazeau**
Kalle Loponen
Kasperi Kapanen
Kristians Rubins
Mac Hollowell
Max Verroneau
Mike Koster
Mikhail Abramov
Mikko Kokkonen
Mitch Marner
Noel Hoefenmayer***
Nicholas Abruzzese
Nicholas Robertson
Nikolai Chebykin
Pierre Engvall
Pontus Holmberg
Rasmus Sandin
Rodion Amirov
Roni Hirvonen
Ryan O'Connell
Ryan Tverberg
Semyon Der-Arguchintsev
Semyon Kizimov
Timothy Liljegren
Topi Niemela
Travis Dermott
Veeti Miettinen
Vladimir Boblyev
Vladislav Kara
William Nylander
Wyatt Schingoethe

25. 2020 4th Rd. Pick from Vegas
24. Jesper Lindgren Traded to Pittsburgh Penguins
23. 2020 4th Rd. Pick
22. Mac Hollowell
21. Jeremy Bracco
20. Filip Kral
19. Joseph Duszak
18. Pontus Holmberg
17. Egor Korshkov
16. Denis Malgin
15. Semyon Der-Arguchintsev
14. Mikhail Abramov
13. Nick Abruzzese
11. Adam Brooks
11. Mikko Kokkonen
10. 2020 2nd Rd. Pick
9. Pierre Engvall
8. Travis Dermott
7. Timothy Liljegren
6. Kasperi Kapanen Traded to Pittsburgh Penguins
5. Nick Robertson
4. Rasmus Sandin
3. William Nylander
2. Mitch Marner
1. Auston Matthews
25. Joseph Duszak
24. Frederik Gauthier old
23. Mason Marchment Traded to Florida Panthers
22. Semyon Der-Arguchintsev
21. Egor Korshkov
20. Mikko Kokkonen
19. Adam Brooks
18. Pierre Engvall
17. Ian Scott
16. Joseph Woll
15. Mac Hollowell
14. Ilya Mikheyev old
13. Nic Petan old
12. Jeremy Bracco
11. Nick Robertson
10. Trevor Moore traded to LA Kings
9. Timothy Liljegren
8. Travis Dermott
7. Andreas Johnsson old
6. Rasmus Sandin
5. Alexander Kerfoot old
4. Kasperi Kapanen
3. William Nylander
2. Mitch Marner
1. Auston Matthews

* Jeremy McKenna is on an AHL deal and thus ineligible for this exercise
** Brazeau is on an AHL deal and thus ineligible for this exercise. I've listed him here nonetheless as he gets an honourable mention from PPP.
*** Noel Hoefenmayer is on an AHL deal and thus ineligible for this exercise.
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Re: Ranking Prospects 2020-2021
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2020, 03:22:07 PM »
1. Auston Matthews
2. William Nylander
3. Mitch Marner
4. Nick Robertson
5. Rasmus Sandin
6. Kasperi Kapanen
7. Travis Dermott
8. Timothy Liljegren
9. Nick Abruzzese
10. Egor Korshkov

Without the draft (and even with it), the rest of the list looks pretty terribad.
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Re: Ranking Prospects 2020-2021
« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2020, 09:23:31 AM »
22. Mac Hollowell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXqmGV8jeA8
Thought this was Kessel and Lupul for a second

He plays like a rover (he basically was in the OHL) that is learning the ropes of the AHL. He only got a partial season split between Newfoundland and Toronto this past shortened season. He's on the older side of the prospect equation, but for Leaf purposes (offensive D-men), that's kind of okay. If a 4th round pick comes in like 4 years later and gives you two adequate-good NHL seasons and gets traded, that's a very solid turnout.
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Re: Ranking Prospects 2020-2021
« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2020, 09:55:56 AM »
22. Mac Hollowell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXqmGV8jeA8
Thought this was Kessel and Lupul for a second

He plays like a rover (he basically was in the OHL) that is learning the ropes of the AHL. He only got a partial season split between Newfoundland and Toronto this past shortened season. He's on the older side of the prospect equation, but for Leaf purposes (offensive D-men), that's kind of okay. If a 4th round pick comes in like 4 years later and gives you two adequate-good NHL seasons and gets traded, that's a very solid turnout.

I'm cautiously hopeful for him. I like the way he moves the puck. He's got Kaberle level slickness I think.
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« Reply #4 on: June 18, 2020, 10:05:06 AM »
I'm cautiously hopeful for him. I like the way he moves the puck. He's got Kaberle level slickness I think.

He certainly has the qualities that would excel in a Keefe/Dubas style system with a dash of feistiness. A team structure that activates the defense that much, I do kind of want defensemen who can hold the puck and dish or shoot in tight accordingly. I think once he adjusts to the AHL speeds, he'll have the latitude to show off his creativity.
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« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2020, 10:38:40 AM »
1. Auston Matthews
2. William Nylander
3. Mitch Marner
4. Nick Robertson
5. Rasmus Sandin
6. Kasperi Kapanen
7. Travis Dermott
8. Timothy Liljegren
9. Nick Abruzzese
10. Egor Korshkov

Without the draft (and even with it), the rest of the list looks pretty terribad.

Unless we hit a bunch of jackpot 7th round picks not having a 1st or 3rd round pick this year hurts.

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« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2020, 11:34:55 AM »
I'm cautiously hopeful for him. I like the way he moves the puck. He's got Kaberle level slickness I think.

He certainly has the qualities that would excel in a Keefe/Dubas style system with a dash of feistiness. A team structure that activates the defense that much, I do kind of want defensemen who can hold the puck and dish or shoot in tight accordingly. I think once he adjusts to the AHL speeds, he'll have the latitude to show off his creativity.
He certainly has all the tools, he has admitted that "confidence" is his major issue.  Nice they can actually take several years to groom him, without the previous "Leaf rush" and let him develop oodles of it.
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« Reply #7 on: June 18, 2020, 11:47:10 AM »
Unless we hit a bunch of jackpot 7th round picks not having a 1st or 3rd round pick this year hurts.

We've been getting pretty good (looking) value from 2nds and 4ths under Dubas. Kind of wonder what the pipeline looks like without Boyle and Plekanec, right (hi Nik!)?

I'm pretty sure one or more of our forwards from the second tier is going to be moved for draft assets or more assured prospects.
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« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2020, 02:58:14 PM »
1. Auston Matthews
2. William Nylander
3. Mitch Marner
4. Nick Robertson
5. Rasmus Sandin
6. Kasperi Kapanen
7. Travis Dermott
8. Timothy Liljegren
9. Nick Abruzzese
10. Egor Korshkov

Without the draft (and even with it), the rest of the list looks pretty terribad.

Is Engvall aged out?

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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2020, 03:13:24 PM »
Is Engvall aged out?

He's just outside my top ten, with Abramov, Der-Arguchintsev, and Kokkonen; mostly due to his age (he's Nylander age) and offensive instincts/potential at the NHL level (minimal). Korshkov is the same age, but has more of a nose for the net and playmaking.
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« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2020, 07:23:20 AM »
Is Engvall aged out?

He's just outside my top ten, with Abramov, Der-Arguchintsev, and Kokkonen; mostly due to his age (he's Nylander age) and offensive instincts/potential at the NHL level (minimal). Korshkov is the same age, but has more of a nose for the net and playmaking.

I suppose if offense is the only consideration for forwards, I can see it. But I would personally have Engvall ahead of Korshkov just for the simple fact that he was on the team last season and actually had an impact.

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« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2020, 08:45:11 AM »
1. Auston Matthews
2. William Nylander
3. Mitch Marner
4. Nick Robertson
5. Rasmus Sandin
6. Kasperi Kapanen
7. Travis Dermott
8. Timothy Liljegren
9. Nick Abruzzese
10. Egor Korshkov

Without the draft (and even with it), the rest of the list looks pretty terribad.

I started my list but I got too sad after the top-8. I'd probably swap 2/3 on yours, unless we're taking AAV into consideration which we aren't here.

The Robertson-Sandin-Kapanen block can really go any way. I'm generally "potential in the next few years trumps what the player did last season" when it comes to these lists but even still I might put Kappy over Robertson for now. I'm not sure Robertson's value in the next few years will be much more than "good scoring middle-6 winger" which Kapanen is already at.

I might swap Dermott and Liljegren. Not a popular opinion but I've expressed doubts about Dermott playing in a top-4 role while my fingers are still crossed Liljegren can get there.

After that, who knows. I might go Engvall then Korshkov but if you think Korshkov can play a top-6 role in the next few seasons then I can understand him being over Engvall who despite just finishing his "rookie" season I'm not sure will really grow past the 3rd line.

My next group would probably consist of Malgin, Brooks, Woll, Abruzzese, and Hollowell in some order. Eventually I'd have to place Bracco somewhere.

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Re: Ranking Prospects 2020-2021
« Reply #12 on: June 19, 2020, 09:07:08 AM »
We've been getting pretty good (looking) value from 2nds and 4ths under Dubas. Kind of wonder what the pipeline looks like without Boyle and Plekanec, right (hi Nik!)?

Well, if those picks looked good right now they'd have been attributable to Dubas but if they looked bad they'd be a result of Hunter and Lamoriello giving Dubas a wedgie and not letting him sit at the draft table.
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« Reply #13 on: June 19, 2020, 10:11:10 AM »
Harsh but fair words for Bracco today.
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« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2020, 10:30:01 AM »
Harsh but fair words for Bracco today.

Yeah I think that's about where I would have placed Bracco too. I've basically written him off as a NHLer at this point but I guess being a productive AHLer has it's value too.

I missed yesterday's ranking so I'm surprised to see Hollowell that early. He's absolutely a long-shot to make the NHL but I dunno, I think I would have ranked him over a number of other long-shots that are going to be ranked higher.