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Re: Leafs @ Ducks - Mar. 6th, 10:00pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
« Reply #135 on: March 07, 2020, 08:59:16 AM »
Marner has 65 points in 58 games played and suddenly people want to see him traded? People are right about Leaf fans.
Depends for who. Would you trade him 1 for 1 for Eichel?

LOL If you had Eichel, would you? That's not my point and you know it.
What's your point then? You seem to suggest it's crazy to entertain trading Marner and I say nobody is untouchable if you get the right player back. I care less about the players now than I did when I was younger, I just want the team to win a Cup. If that includes Mitch great, he helped , if not I'm just as happy to be Bob Shmelcko life the Cup for the Leafs. As long as a trade makes sense I'm all for it.

Marner is scoring at a 1.12 ppg game pace, and there's Leaf fans saying they detest him and they'd move him for defensive help. You're taking a ppg player off the roster for defensive help? What defensive help? Unless you're getting a #1 defensemen, around the same age, you're not moving Marner for defensive help. At least I wouldn't be.

People need to stop living and dying with this team on a nightly basis. It's obnoxious.

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Re: Leafs @ Ducks - Mar. 6th, 10:00pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
« Reply #136 on: March 07, 2020, 10:11:59 AM »
People need to stop living and dying with this team on a nightly basis.
Winner right there. I say this all the time, It's only hockey/entertainment. People take this stuff way too serious. Just have fun with it, win or lose. You're not getting a ring if the Leafs win the cup. You get Nothing.

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Re: Leafs @ Ducks - Mar. 6th, 10:00pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
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Re: Leafs @ Ducks - Mar. 6th, 10:00pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
« Reply #137 on: March 07, 2020, 10:30:16 AM »
Matthews was just as bad if not worse than Marner with the giveaways tonight.
I felt the same thing. Either they're sloppy or worn out or something, it's really odd to see. Also weird that Pit had the same problem on their road trip too.
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Re: Leafs @ Ducks - Mar. 6th, 10:00pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
« Reply #138 on: March 07, 2020, 10:32:44 AM »
People need to stop living and dying with this team on a nightly basis.
Winner right there. I say this all the time, It's only hockey/entertainment. People take this stuff way too serious. Just have fun with it, win or lose. You're not getting a ring if the Leafs win the cup. You get Nothing.
For sure, and it's a lot more enjoyable here when people don't lose their minds and sound like sociopaths after a losing streak *cough lc9 *cough.
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Re: Leafs @ Ducks - Mar. 6th, 10:00pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
« Reply #139 on: March 07, 2020, 10:35:56 AM »
Marner has 65 points in 58 games played and suddenly people want to see him traded? People are right about Leaf fans.
Depends for who. Would you trade him 1 for 1 for Eichel?

LOL If you had Eichel, would you? That's not my point and you know it.
What's your point then? You seem to suggest it's crazy to entertain trading Marner and I say nobody is untouchable if you get the right player back. I care less about the players now than I did when I was younger, I just want the team to win a Cup. If that includes Mitch great, he helped , if not I'm just as happy to be Bob Shmelcko life the Cup for the Leafs. As long as a trade makes sense I'm all for it.

Marner is scoring at a 1.12 ppg game pace, and there's Leaf fans saying they detest him and they'd move him for defensive help. You're taking a ppg player off the roster for defensive help? What defensive help? Unless you're getting a #1 defensemen, around the same age, you're not moving Marner for defensive help. At least I wouldn't be.

People need to stop living and dying with this team on a nightly basis. It's obnoxious.
Agreed. I mean it's one of those hypotheticals that has no basis in reality like would your trade x + y + z for McDavid? Like sure, but it's not going to happen so why are we entertaining this? I would trade Marner for an upgrade but generally a 1 to 1 trade like that won't happen. If it was for a stud D though... I think that sounds a bit more realistic but still unlikely until another couple years into the contract.
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Re: Leafs @ Ducks - Mar. 6th, 10:00pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
« Reply #140 on: March 07, 2020, 10:39:57 AM »
Nooooooooppppe

I like (I think it was your) suggestion to try swapping Nylander and Marner. The PP needs a solid shooting threat on both sides. Teams are going to respect Nylander's shot more.

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Re: Leafs @ Ducks - Mar. 6th, 10:00pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
« Reply #141 on: March 07, 2020, 11:09:33 AM »
Agreed. I mean it's one of those hypotheticals that has no basis in reality like would your trade x + y + z for McDavid? Like sure, but it's not going to happen so why are we entertaining this? I would trade Marner for an upgrade but generally a 1 to 1 trade like that won't happen. If it was for a stud D though... I think that sounds a bit more realistic but still unlikely until another couple years into the contract.

It was the same thing with Nylander. Lots of people wanted him moved for a top young defender, but no one could ever put forth a name that was was available for a trade and was good value. It’s even harder with Marner. Teams that have defencemen of that caliber just don’t trade them (outside of when they have multiple young guys of similar caliber, which is exceedingly rare).
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Re: Leafs @ Ducks - Mar. 6th, 10:00pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
« Reply #142 on: March 07, 2020, 11:44:42 AM »
Sorry for your loss, Highlander
Thanks Herman, my Mom was old, it was expected, but I was estranged from my friend for many years because of his wife. I was going to reach out to him and let him know about my Mom, she was a huge part of his life. Only to find out his wife and kids did not reach out when they knew he was dieing of cancer. Its beyond the pale. Sorry I am hurting big time, as much as we love this crazy hockey team there is a lot more that matters. 
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Re: Leafs @ Ducks - Mar. 6th, 10:00pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
« Reply #143 on: March 07, 2020, 12:06:02 PM »
Sorry for your loss, Highlander
Thanks Herman, my Mom was old, it was expected, but I was estranged from my friend for many years because of his wife. I was going to reach out to him and let him know about my Mom, she was a huge part of his life. Only to find out his wife and kids did not reach out when they knew he was dieing of cancer. Its beyond the pale. Sorry I am hurting big time, as much as we love this crazy hockey team there is a lot more that matters. 
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I want to thank all of you for last nights condolences, I do apologize for using the forum, but I was in a state of shock, still am. Again thanks for your patience and support.
Sorry for your loss Highlander. I didn't read back through the thread. Worst thing that we all go through. :(

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Re: Leafs @ Ducks - Mar. 6th, 10:00pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
« Reply #144 on: March 07, 2020, 12:52:50 PM »
Sorry for your loss, Highlander
Thanks Herman, my Mom was old, it was expected, but I was estranged from my friend for many years because of his wife. I was going to reach out to him and let him know about my Mom, she was a huge part of his life. Only to find out his wife and kids did not reach out when they knew he was dieing of cancer. Its beyond the pale. Sorry I am hurting big time, as much as we love this crazy hockey team there is a lot more that matters. 
Absolutely Highlander. Again sorry for your loss.
I want to thank all of you for last nights condolences, I do apologize for using the forum, but I was in a state of shock, still am. Again thanks for your patience and support.
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Re: Leafs @ Ducks - Mar. 6th, 10:00pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
« Reply #145 on: March 07, 2020, 02:22:32 PM »
Nooooooooppppe

I like (I think it was your) suggestion to try swapping Nylander and Marner. The PP needs a solid shooting threat on both sides. Teams are going to respect Nylander's shot more.

My suggestions from last year started with, let’s put our QB behind the net. It evolved to put Nylander on the PP1 because he’s their best carrier on entries and can pass AND shoot. This year it has evolved further to Marner behind the net so he can’t waste pucks shooting. I like Nylander back there and I’d probably still be excited about Marner on the half wall if he was on his strong side (harder to strip) and made better decisions than force an impossible pass to Matthews or take a lame wrister from far away.

Largely, the PP issues go beyond just Marner (and Barrie), it’s the general lack of movement. They’re just stationary turrets trying to thread passes and that’s pretty easy to zone out for the PK. The reason the first two/three years of PP with Hiller were amazing was because the PP units were always making attack runs at the net. PP1 would have Marner loop up and then drive down at the net off the wall to either pass down to JvR or across to Kadri for chaos. Willy and Matthews would both loop from the top of their circles and either zip a seam pass or rip one into the net from dangerous spots.

One-timers from Matthews is compelling but he can score in so many different ways. Same with Tavares and Nylander; all three of them have heavy wrist/snap shots, good slappers, pretty nasty backhands, can tip pucks, have the hands to wraparound, or bulldoze through the front for an ugly goal. Yet our PP QB thinks more shots from the worst wrister on the ice or the farthest possible skater is the solution.

At the end of the day, with the personnel we run, it should have every little to do with who is shooting and more to do with how many decisions/mistakes we can force the PK into making. Right now, Marner’s (McFarland’s) tunnel vision makes it very easy to stop and is wasting everyone’s capabilities.
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Re: Leafs @ Ducks - Mar. 6th, 10:00pm - TSN4, TSN 1050
« Reply #146 on: March 07, 2020, 04:07:44 PM »
Nooooooooppppe

I like (I think it was your) suggestion to try swapping Nylander and Marner. The PP needs a solid shooting threat on both sides. Teams are going to respect Nylander's shot more.

My suggestions from last year started with, let’s put our QB behind the net. It evolved to put Nylander on the PP1 because he’s their best carrier on entries and can pass AND shoot. This year it has evolved further to Marner behind the net so he can’t waste pucks shooting. I like Nylander back there and I’d probably still be excited about Marner on the half wall if he was on his strong side (harder to strip) and made better decisions than force an impossible pass to Matthews or take a lame wrister from far away.

Largely, the PP issues go beyond just Marner (and Barrie), it’s the general lack of movement. They’re just stationary turrets trying to thread passes and that’s pretty easy to zone out for the PK. The reason the first two/three years of PP with Hiller were amazing was because the PP units were always making attack runs at the net. PP1 would have Marner loop up and then drive down at the net off the wall to either pass down to JvR or across to Kadri for chaos. Willy and Matthews would both loop from the top of their circles and either zip a seam pass or rip one into the net from dangerous spots.

One-timers from Matthews is compelling but he can score in so many different ways. Same with Tavares and Nylander; all three of them have heavy wrist/snap shots, good slappers, pretty nasty backhands, can tip pucks, have the hands to wraparound, or bulldoze through the front for an ugly goal. Yet our PP QB thinks more shots from the worst wrister on the ice or the farthest possible skater is the solution.

At the end of the day, with the personnel we run, it should have every little to do with who is shooting and more to do with how many decisions/mistakes we can force the PK into making. Right now, Marner’s (McFarland’s) tunnel vision makes it very easy to stop and is wasting everyone’s capabilities.

And McFarland was supposed to FIX all that stuff.  He was supposed to be a Sunshine State Power Play Professor. Why is this so hard to implement?  I don't know half as much about hockey as most of you but I've been saying for 2 years now, drive to the net.  Create some chaos in front — it's always to the offensive team's advantage. 

And now that Matthews has worked on, and gotten really good at, a slapshot (which he rarely did before this season IIRC), that's all they look for.  Where's his unstoppable could-be-coming-from-anyway slingshot?

Lastly in this rant, Marner needs to practice shooting ALL. SUMMER. LONG. 

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« Reply #147 on: March 07, 2020, 08:52:49 PM »
Sorry for your loss, Highlander
Thanks Herman, my Mom was old, it was expected, but I was estranged from my friend for many years because of his wife. I was going to reach out to him and let him know about my Mom, she was a huge part of his life. Only to find out his wife and kids did not reach out when they knew he was dieing of cancer. Its beyond the pale. Sorry I am hurting big time, as much as we love this crazy hockey team there is a lot more that matters. 
Absolutely Highlander. Again sorry for your loss.
I want to thank all of you for last nights condolences, I do apologize for using the forum, but I was in a state of shock, still am. Again thanks for your patience and support.
All good man. Were here for you.
Thank you Bender, and all the others. It is most appreciated. I am coming to know that all of us here are in essence good people, excepting Ice9.  LOL
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