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Re: Leafs @ Penguins - Feb. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
« Reply #195 on: February 18, 2020, 10:54:03 PM »
No different that a lot on here who game after game think oh well onto the next one.

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Re: Leafs @ Penguins - Feb. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
« Reply #196 on: February 18, 2020, 11:01:21 PM »
I'm agnostic on trading Barrie but other than that I don't actually think the Deadline is a good time to make hockey trades. If you want to trade Kapanen or Kerfoot or whoever I'd do that sort of thing at the draft.

Good point.  Barrie for sure.  And dare they trade Muzzin as a rental, if the rumors are true?
What rumours? Muzz is signing an extention and won't be traded. He's exactly the type of D man we need. We could use another on the right side for Rielly.
I would like to see
Rielly.. Dumba
Holl... Muzz
Liljegren.. Sandin
Would love to see Josh Anderson added to the forward group.

Rumors that they want to extend him.  Has he signed yet?  If not, he could be a rental.

Of course it's not bloody likely but like I said it would be daring.

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Re: Leafs @ Penguins - Feb. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
« Reply #196 on: February 18, 2020, 11:01:21 PM »

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Re: Leafs @ Penguins - Feb. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
« Reply #197 on: February 18, 2020, 11:05:17 PM »
Rumors that they want to extend him.  Has he signed yet?  If not, he could be a rental.

Of course it's not bloody likely but like I said it would be daring.

If you sign him for a reasonable amount and don't give trade protection he's more valuable in a potential future trade than as a rental.
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Re: Leafs @ Penguins - Feb. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
« Reply #198 on: February 18, 2020, 11:07:00 PM »
Yes, it's not good value this year but we can't complain about last year.

Clearly you underestimate my complaining powers.

No, seriously though, last year he was very good but even as good as he was last year he still had the 2nd highest cap hit in the league and was...a top 20 player? Top 15? He was 17th in Hart voting which may be about right.

So even when he's playing very well he's still not outperforming his salary.

Point taken. Well taken.  But OTOH in the annals of GM overpaying for UFAs his deal is not something you'd file under Awful.

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Re: Leafs @ Penguins - Feb. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
« Reply #199 on: February 18, 2020, 11:08:18 PM »
Rumors that they want to extend him.  Has he signed yet?  If not, he could be a rental.

Of course it's not bloody likely but like I said it would be daring.

If you sign him for a reasonable amount and don't give trade protection he's more valuable in a potential future trade than as a rental.

So long as he doesn't start declining.  4 years is not too long for guy his age but the risk of that is real.

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Re: Leafs @ Penguins - Feb. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
« Reply #200 on: February 19, 2020, 12:16:54 AM »
Looking a little too familiar...


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Re: Leafs @ Penguins - Feb. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
« Reply #201 on: February 19, 2020, 12:53:37 AM »
Does Dubas have the guts to do what needs to be done at the deadline — even if the Leafs are technically in a playoff spot?

And play Liljegren, for God's sake.
What would you like him to do?

I agree with playing Sandin and Lilegren as much as possible. Maybe trade Barrie if the return is good enough. Not sure what else should be done. The Leafs secondary scorers like Kapanen, Engvall, Kerfoot aren't producing and trading one of them will probably not get enough in return (presumably on defense) to make it worthwhile. I think we largely have to ride this out.
You maybe right although Kappy who has struggled did score a big OT goal on Friday. Still not enough though from him. I say Dubas trades Barrie if the right deal comes along. He is our biggest trade chip and we're not signing him. I can actually see Dubas trade anyone not named Matthews, Marner, JT, Sandin, Liljegren, Muzz.


This team is so flawed. Coach was fired and rightfully so the way he handled most players. Team has no defence and compete and grit completely non existent. Freddy has been poor lately but he's not the problem. The team hasn't for years played a good structured defensive game. They are so easy to play against. Trying to make some changes now and trade away more picks or prospects is a big mistake. Dubas has already done a good job at that. Get rid of all the FA's and recoup some picks or young prospects. Big 4 contracts are hurting and will for years to come so maybe look at getting rid of Nylander and fill an area of need. Stock the cupboards for next year and start fresh. Team isn't going to go anywhere this year so might as well recoup something.

Obviously bigger problems with this team than Babcock who I despised but this group doesn't cut it and part of that blame is on Dubas and his assessment of players.
Team has tons of skill but is definitely lacking compete.

What else can you do?  They fired the coach...they rebuilt the defence (I think Reilly and dermott are the only regulars from last year).  They’ve turned over half their roster and they still play the same. It’s strange.  Even stranger are that Matthews, Nylander and Marner are having career years...yet they still don’t improve

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Re: Leafs @ Penguins - Feb. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
« Reply #202 on: February 19, 2020, 01:44:22 AM »
Does Dubas have the guts to do what needs to be done at the deadline — even if the Leafs are technically in a playoff spot?

And play Liljegren, for God's sake.
What would you like him to do?

I agree with playing Sandin and Lilegren as much as possible. Maybe trade Barrie if the return is good enough. Not sure what else should be done. The Leafs secondary scorers like Kapanen, Engvall, Kerfoot aren't producing and trading one of them will probably not get enough in return (presumably on defense) to make it worthwhile. I think we largely have to ride this out.
You maybe right although Kappy who has struggled did score a big OT goal on Friday. Still not enough though from him. I say Dubas trades Barrie if the right deal comes along. He is our biggest trade chip and we're not signing him. I can actually see Dubas trade anyone not named Matthews, Marner, JT, Sandin, Liljegren, Muzz.


This team is so flawed. Coach was fired and rightfully so the way he handled most players. Team has no defence and compete and grit completely non existent. Freddy has been poor lately but he's not the problem. The team hasn't for years played a good structured defensive game. They are so easy to play against. Trying to make some changes now and trade away more picks or prospects is a big mistake. Dubas has already done a good job at that. Get rid of all the FA's and recoup some picks or young prospects. Big 4 contracts are hurting and will for years to come so maybe look at getting rid of Nylander and fill an area of need. Stock the cupboards for next year and start fresh. Team isn't going to go anywhere this year so might as well recoup something.

Obviously bigger problems with this team than Babcock who I despised but this group doesn't cut it and part of that blame is on Dubas and his assessment of players.
Team has tons of skill but is definitely lacking compete.

What else can you do?  They fired the coach...they rebuilt the defence (I think Reilly and dermott are the only regulars from last year).  They’ve turned over half their roster and they still play the same. It’s strange.  Even stranger are that Matthews, Nylander and Marner are having career years...yet they still don’t improve


They’ve been stricken by the February blahs. 🤷‍♀️

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Re: Leafs @ Penguins - Feb. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
« Reply #203 on: February 19, 2020, 07:24:36 AM »
So, has this Leafs team(9-8-3 since January 1st) tuned out the coach? I'm asking for a friend.

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Re: Leafs @ Penguins - Feb. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
« Reply #204 on: February 19, 2020, 08:29:21 AM »
So, has this Leafs team(9-8-3 since January 1st) tuned out the coach? I'm asking for a friend.

Kind of a weird period to use since it makes it look like the Leafs have been mediocre for 2 months. They were 6-3-2 in the first 11 games of that stretch, which would be a 104-point season pace. They also did that while getting .893 goaltending from Andersen. I dunno, I call that impressive.

February is of course another story.

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Re: Leafs @ Penguins - Feb. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
« Reply #205 on: February 19, 2020, 09:10:31 AM »
February has been flu season. Marner and Tavares have played at Nylander levels, which is normally awesome but the former two make 4M more each, so...

On top of the goaltender struggles (Andersen has cratered), the Kerfoot, Johnsson, Kapanen, Dermott (missed camp and kind of over his head with Rielly out) layer of depth has fallen off a cliff.

Keefe has been riding the top 2 lines, as a lot of people wanted, but I think that’s catching up with them, especially in illness and injury stretches like this. I’d rebalance the lines as even with injury the point of our build was two 1st lines and a 2nd for the top 9.

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Engvall - Matthews - Nylander
Korshkov - Kerfoot - Kapanen
Clifford - Spezza - Timashov

Flip Engvall and Kerfoot/Spezza as needed
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Re: Leafs @ Penguins - Feb. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
« Reply #206 on: February 19, 2020, 09:29:43 AM »
February has been flu season. Marner and Tavares have played at Nylander levels, which is normally awesome but the former two make 4M more each, so...

On top of the goaltender struggles (Andersen has cratered), the Kerfoot, Johnsson, Kapanen, Dermott (missed camp and kind of over his head with Rielly out) layer of depth has fallen off a cliff.

Keefe has been riding the top 2 lines, as a lot of people wanted, but I think that’s catching up with them, especially in illness and injury stretches like this. I’d rebalance the lines as even with injury the point of our build was two 1st lines and a 2nd for the top 9.

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Engvall - Matthews - Nylander
Korshkov - Kerfoot - Kapanen
Clifford - Spezza - Timashov

Flip Engvall and Kerfoot/Spezza as needed
I like the lines. Willy hasn't been himself since getting sick. Only 2 consistent guys for me are Spezza and Matthews. 21 to go so we'll see what happens.

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Re: Leafs @ Penguins - Feb. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
« Reply #207 on: February 19, 2020, 11:22:45 AM »
February has been flu season. Marner and Tavares have played at Nylander levels, which is normally awesome but the former two make 4M more each, so...

On top of the goaltender struggles (Andersen has cratered), the Kerfoot, Johnsson, Kapanen, Dermott (missed camp and kind of over his head with Rielly out) layer of depth has fallen off a cliff.

Keefe has been riding the top 2 lines, as a lot of people wanted, but I think that’s catching up with them, especially in illness and injury stretches like this. I’d rebalance the lines as even with injury the point of our build was two 1st lines and a 2nd for the top 9.

Hyman - Tavares - Marner
Engvall - Matthews - Nylander
Korshkov - Kerfoot - Kapanen
Clifford - Spezza - Timashov

Flip Engvall and Kerfoot/Spezza as needed
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Re: Leafs @ Penguins - Feb. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
« Reply #208 on: February 19, 2020, 11:35:00 AM »
Does Dubas have the guts to do what needs to be done at the deadline — even if the Leafs are technically in a playoff spot?

And play Liljegren, for God's sake.
What would you like him to do?

I agree with playing Sandin and Lilegren as much as possible. Maybe trade Barrie if the return is good enough. Not sure what else should be done. The Leafs secondary scorers like Kapanen, Engvall, Kerfoot aren't producing and trading one of them will probably not get enough in return (presumably on defense) to make it worthwhile. I think we largely have to ride this out.

Trade Barrie for sure.  He was the wrong acquisition in the first place.

And much as I hate to see him go I would dangle Kappy.  He's definitely got value and will be attractive the right team.  Beyond that there's not much they can do right now. 

The focus going forward should be revamping the defense (obviously).  I think we've seen enough of the team under Keefe/Dubas that you can't out-possess a defense with too many holes in it.

And sure, let Campbell roll for awhile.  Andersen has been bad for weeks now.
With Mango out for the season, I think Kappi needs to stay
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Re: Leafs @ Penguins - Feb. 18th, 7:00pm - SN, Fan 590
« Reply #209 on: February 19, 2020, 05:29:36 PM »
So, has this Leafs team(9-8-3 since January 1st) tuned out the coach? I'm asking for a friend.

Kind of a weird period to use since it makes it look like the Leafs have been mediocre for 2 months. They were 6-3-2 in the first 11 games of that stretch, which would be a 104-point season pace. They also did that while getting .893 goaltending from Andersen. I dunno, I call that impressive.

February is of course another story.

I'm cherry picking of course. Just trying to make myself feel better :)