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Offline Nik Bethune

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Re: Blue Jays Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #30 on: December 11, 2019, 06:24:06 PM »
Good signing, I think. A #3/4 guy but a solid inning eater.
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Re: Blue Jays Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #31 on: December 11, 2019, 06:50:07 PM »
A little pricier than I expected him to go for (I figured closer to $10M per) but a solid and reliable middle to back of the rotation guy.
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Re: Blue Jays Hot Stove Thread
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Re: Blue Jays Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #32 on: December 11, 2019, 11:04:02 PM »
I like the signing. Now sign Keuchel, and one of Teheran or Miley and were set.

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Re: Blue Jays Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2019, 11:35:45 AM »
A little pricier than I expected him to go for (I figured closer to $10M per) but a solid and reliable middle to back of the rotation guy.

I mean every pitcher is getting overpaid at this point.  The rotation needed help and he's a decent option.  I'm still hoping they can come to an agreement with Ryu but I see him more likely staying in California.

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Re: Blue Jays Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2019, 12:36:27 PM »
A little pricier than I expected him to go for (I figured closer to $10M per) but a solid and reliable middle to back of the rotation guy.

Its a real solid signing (pundits where calling for 18M for two, so the deal is still very OK). 

So if Pearson can make a successful jump and Shoemaker plays like he did until his injury then we may have a solid, yet unspectacular starting rotation.   The money being paid to some of the top line pitchers is insane and not a route the Jays should take.  As Nik posted they have to build from within.

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Re: Blue Jays Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #35 on: December 12, 2019, 02:07:26 PM »
After some further review and a misreading in an article from this AM,  I am not that enthralled by the signing.  We did overpay, although it seems if you can throw a ball over a plate, that you get over 4M a year.  Rourke is 33 and perhaps should have rated at 6 to 8M a year.
His HR count at the end of last year was atrocious.  Hope our outfielders have springs on their shoes so they can jump higher than the fence...a lot higher than the fence. ;)
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Re: Blue Jays Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #36 on: December 12, 2019, 02:29:16 PM »
Happ?  Encarnacion?



https://www.thestar.com/sports/blue_jays_baseball_blog/2019/12/10/blue-jays-need-more-than-pitching-at-mlb-s-winter-meetings.html

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Re: Blue Jays Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #37 on: December 12, 2019, 05:36:43 PM »
Happ?  Encarnacion?



https://www.thestar.com/sports/blue_jays_baseball_blog/2019/12/10/blue-jays-need-more-than-pitching-at-mlb-s-winter-meetings.html
Edwin come home.  Jay Hapless, not so much!
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Re: Blue Jays Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #38 on: December 12, 2019, 07:48:16 PM »
I'm okay with Roark as a #3 starter, but not as our ace. He'll at least help prevent the rotation become a revolving door as he should stay healthy and eat a lot of innings.
Hopefully there is still another higher caliber starter added to the mix for next season. I'd like Ryu as well, but not sure he'd come to Toronto.

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Re: Blue Jays Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #39 on: December 14, 2019, 01:08:39 PM »
Great thing about Jays baseball to me. I don't take it seriously (unless they make the playoffs-unlikely), its a great time-wasting, relaxing, time to have a few beers, a burger or doggie, and listen to the dulcet tones of Buck droning me into a semi catatonic happy place, where even neighbour's lawn mowers can't piss me off.  Win or lose, no problem.

Now with the Leafs....
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Re: Blue Jays Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #40 on: December 18, 2019, 07:15:21 AM »
Jays sign Japanese pitcher Shun Yamaguchi:


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Re: Blue Jays Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #41 on: December 20, 2019, 08:27:48 AM »

https://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/tanner-roarks-steadiness-opens-possibilities-blue-jays/

According to Davidi the Jays are still in on Ryu but may choose to wait a year to look at adding expensive pitching. They also talk about the possibility of trading for David Price.
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Re: Blue Jays Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #42 on: December 21, 2019, 09:11:37 AM »
The free agent class next year is Robbie Ray, James Paxton and Trevor Bauer (and Stroman).

Im not really seeing the big upside to waiting for next years crop unless the hope is that the insane prices revert back next offseason.   

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Re: Blue Jays Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #43 on: December 21, 2019, 11:52:49 AM »
The free agent class next year is Robbie Ray, James Paxton and Trevor Bauer (and Stroman).

Im not really seeing the big upside to waiting for next years crop unless the hope is that the insane prices revert back next offseason.

I think it's less about there being a huge upside and more about being unsure about Ryu who, although he had a big year, doesn't have a history of consistency or durability.
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Re: Blue Jays Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #44 on: December 21, 2019, 12:37:56 PM »
The free agent class next year is Robbie Ray, James Paxton and Trevor Bauer (and Stroman).

Im not really seeing the big upside to waiting for next years crop unless the hope is that the insane prices revert back next offseason.

It's what happens when you run the team into the ground and now they can't get players to come here.  There was no reason to trade Stroman - he could have anchored this rotation for the next few seasons.