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Re: Blue Jays Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2019, 02:53:10 PM »
Wheeler signs in Philly for $118M/5 years.

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« Reply #16 on: December 04, 2019, 03:06:03 PM »

Yeah, they're welcome to him at that price.
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Re: Blue Jays Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #17 on: December 04, 2019, 04:48:43 PM »
I'm going to be frustrated with the team because it really isn't going to be better than last year but you just can't get upset at not paying a guy stupid money.  Wheeler is a good pitcher, he's not a 23 million dollar pitcher.

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Re: Blue Jays Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #18 on: December 04, 2019, 05:01:55 PM »
The starting rotation will most likely be some combination of :

Roark/Tehran/Shoemaker
Chase Andersen
Thornton
Kay
Zeuch
Waguespack

This is not promising. 

Atkins won't have a chance at any of the big arms Stras, Cole, Wheeler so he'll have to settle for the 2nd or 3rd tier pitchers.  A better way to shore up the rotation is via trade.

I'd like them to take a shot at Calhoun.  He can play all 3 outfield positions and he can be had for round $7MM.

Borucki could be a part of that as well if he can get his health in order.

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Re: Blue Jays Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #19 on: December 04, 2019, 05:20:50 PM »
I'm going to be frustrated with the team because it really isn't going to be better than last year but you just can't get upset at not paying a guy stupid money.  Wheeler is a good pitcher, he's not a 23 million dollar pitcher.

And apparently it wasn't his highest offer.

Improvement is going to be internal. They might add a piece or so in free agency but that's not where the problem is going to be solved.
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Re: Blue Jays Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #20 on: December 08, 2019, 12:41:27 PM »
The starting rotation will most likely be some combination of :

Roark/Tehran/Shoemaker
Chase Andersen
Thornton
Kay
Zeuch
Waguespack

This is not promising. 

Atkins won't have a chance at any of the big arms Stras, Cole, Wheeler so he'll have to settle for the 2nd or 3rd tier pitchers.  A better way to shore up the rotation is via trade.

I'd like them to take a shot at Calhoun.  He can play all 3 outfield positions and he can be had for round $7MM.

Borucki could be a part of that as well if he can get his health in order.
Don't think we are going to have to wait too long to add Pearson to the list. Kay may surprise as well. I liked his stuff in the few games he played in September.
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Re: Blue Jays Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2019, 07:43:55 PM »
The starting rotation will most likely be some combination of :

Roark/Tehran/Shoemaker
Chase Andersen
Thornton
Kay
Zeuch
Waguespack

This is not promising. 

Atkins won't have a chance at any of the big arms Stras, Cole, Wheeler so he'll have to settle for the 2nd or 3rd tier pitchers.  A better way to shore up the rotation is via trade.

I'd like them to take a shot at Calhoun.  He can play all 3 outfield positions and he can be had for round $7MM.

Borucki could be a part of that as well if he can get his health in order.
Don't think we are going to have to wait too long to add Pearson to the list. Kay may surprise as well. I liked his stuff in the few games he played in September.

Pearson is the 2nd best pitching prospect in baseball so can't wait for him to arrive.  Still though we will need 2 more legit starters.  Like Stroman - lol

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Re: Blue Jays Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2019, 12:16:20 PM »
The starting rotation will most likely be some combination of :

Roark/Tehran/Shoemaker
Chase Andersen
Thornton
Kay
Zeuch
Waguespack

This is not promising. 

Atkins won't have a chance at any of the big arms Stras, Cole, Wheeler so he'll have to settle for the 2nd or 3rd tier pitchers.  A better way to shore up the rotation is via trade.

I'd like them to take a shot at Calhoun.  He can play all 3 outfield positions and he can be had for round $7MM.

Borucki could be a part of that as well if he can get his health in order.
Don't think we are going to have to wait too long to add Pearson to the list. Kay may surprise as well. I liked his stuff in the few games he played in September.

Pearson is the 2nd best pitching prospect in baseball so can't wait for him to arrive.  Still though we will need 2 more legit starters.  Like Stroman - lol
2 bad about the Strobro but dat is da game...Sanchez looks like he is going the way of the Dodo.  To bad about his problems.  Jays have Pearson and Manoah who is projected to be another beast and several other good arms in the pipeline. I know the pitching is coming like the cavalry, maybe not fast enough to save this years wagon train but 2021 looks a lot better.
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Re: Blue Jays Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2019, 09:20:51 AM »
Is anyone advocating signing a top-tier pitcher to a bananas contract like Cole even as a defensive measure so that Boston and the Yankees don't get stacked again?

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« Reply #24 on: December 11, 2019, 10:04:01 AM »

Is anyone advocating signing a top-tier pitcher to a bananas contract like Cole even as a defensive measure so that Boston and the Yankees don't get stacked again?

That's not really practical. With the resources those teams have there's always going to be someone they'll be able to spend money on.
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Re: Blue Jays Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #25 on: December 11, 2019, 12:29:24 PM »

Is anyone advocating signing a top-tier pitcher to a bananas contract like Cole even as a defensive measure so that Boston and the Yankees don't get stacked again?

That's not really practical. With the resources those teams have there's always going to be someone they'll be able to spend money on.

Very few guys in the history of baseball have been good for 9 straight years. Let the Yankees deal with the contract after it goes sideways. Yankees have the dough to do that. The Jays do not.

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Re: Blue Jays Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #26 on: December 11, 2019, 12:34:11 PM »
Very few guys in the history of baseball have been good for 9 straight years. Let the Yankees deal with the contract after it goes sideways. Yankees have the dough to do that. The Jays do not.

I think that's well said. It's not just that the Yankees have the ability to pay a pitcher 36 million a year, it's that if they only get 4 or 5 good years out of Cole they can chalk it up as a win and just eat the rest as a sunk cost.
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Re: Blue Jays Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #27 on: December 11, 2019, 01:19:35 PM »
Very few guys in the history of baseball have been good for 9 straight years. Let the Yankees deal with the contract after it goes sideways. Yankees have the dough to do that. The Jays do not.

I think that's well said. It's not just that the Yankees have the ability to pay a pitcher 36 million a year, it's that if they only get 4 or 5 good years out of Cole they can chalk it up as a win and just eat the rest as a sunk cost.
True dat! Jays need Dubas to come over and negotiate the big money contracts.
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Re: Blue Jays Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #28 on: December 11, 2019, 06:17:06 PM »
Jays add SP Tanner Roark, 24/2

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Re: Blue Jays Hot Stove Thread
« Reply #29 on: December 11, 2019, 06:23:18 PM »
Jays add SP Tanner Roark, 24/2

Are we happy with this addition?