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Re: Zaitsev and Brown traded to Ottawa
« Reply #165 on: July 01, 2019, 11:37:48 AM »
Big Ceci fan, eh? 

What's the deal with this guy?...seems very polarizing.

He's really just a Canadian Nikita Zaitsev.

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« Reply #166 on: July 01, 2019, 11:40:34 AM »
Assuming the latter could occur, would it not be possible to have the room to sign Gardiner as plan "A"?

Hypothetically if Marner gets $10mil and we dump Ceci I think that we're very roughly at $75-76mil (with Horton on LTIR). So possible, but Gardiner would probably need to take a bit of a discount.

And again, very hypothetically, but if say, Kadri went for Pesce, we'd have an additional 500K, and the top 4 suddenly looks very, very serviceable.

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« Reply #167 on: July 01, 2019, 11:42:18 AM »
And again, very hypothetically, but if say, Kadri went for Pesce, we'd have an additional 500K, and the top 4 suddenly looks very, very serviceable.

True. Let's keep in mind though that Kadri has a 10-team NTC though and Carolina is rumoured to be on it. He loves the team and loves the city, I can't see him being in a rush to waive that.

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« Reply #168 on: July 01, 2019, 11:42:25 AM »
Myers looks to be getting 6 million over 5 years.  How does he work as a comparable for Gardiner?
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Re: Zaitsev and Brown traded to Ottawa
« Reply #169 on: July 01, 2019, 11:42:58 AM »
And again, very hypothetically, but if say, Kadri went for Pesce, we'd have an additional 500K, and the top 4 suddenly looks very, very serviceable.

True. Let's keep in mind though that Kadri has a 10-team NTC though and Carolina is rumoured to be on it. He loves the team and loves the city, I can't see him being in a rush to waive that.

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Re: Zaitsev and Brown traded to Ottawa
« Reply #170 on: July 01, 2019, 11:45:00 AM »
Myers looks to be getting 6 million over 5 years.  How does he work as a comparable for Gardiner?

Gardiner is better, but size is often overrated in favour of Myers, and perhaps the back problems make a few clubs wary.

So yeah, 6M sounds close to me. Hopefully some magic can be worked for the leafs.

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Re: Zaitsev and Brown traded to Ottawa
« Reply #171 on: July 01, 2019, 11:45:17 AM »
Assuming the latter could occur, would it not be possible to have the room to sign Gardiner as plan "A"?

Hypothetically if Marner gets $10mil and we dump Ceci I think that we're very roughly at $75-76mil (with Horton on LTIR). So possible, but Gardiner would probably need to take a bit of a discount.

And again, very hypothetically, but if say, Kadri went for Pesce, we'd have an additional 500K, and the top 4 suddenly looks very, very serviceable.

I think something like this is going to occur.  Kadri is the most likely chip in some kind of deal that gets us a top-4 d-man.

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Re: Zaitsev and Brown traded to Ottawa
« Reply #172 on: July 01, 2019, 11:46:38 AM »
Big Ceci fan, eh? 

What's the deal with this guy?...seems very polarizing.

He's really just a Canadian Nikita Zaitsev.

Awesome. And we were really selling low on Zaitsev.

I don't much like the deal, so I hope there are other moves.

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Re: Zaitsev and Brown traded to Ottawa
« Reply #173 on: July 01, 2019, 11:47:01 AM »
And again, very hypothetically, but if say, Kadri went for Pesce, we'd have an additional 500K, and the top 4 suddenly looks very, very serviceable.

True. Let's keep in mind though that Kadri has a 10-team NTC though and Carolina is rumoured to be on it. He loves the team and loves the city, I can't see him being in a rush to waive that.

And his love of team won't be affected if he's approached with a trade to CAR?

These NTCs are much more restrictive in theory than in practice.

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« Reply #174 on: July 01, 2019, 12:11:49 PM »
Awesome. And we were really selling low on Zaitsev.

Much easier to sell one year of mediocrity than five.
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« Reply #175 on: July 01, 2019, 12:17:52 PM »
Awesome. And we were really selling low on Zaitsev.

Much easier to sell one year of mediocrity than five.
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Re: Zaitsev and Brown traded to Ottawa
« Reply #176 on: July 01, 2019, 12:20:46 PM »
There's literally no answer I can give you that you won't nitpick on either of those questions, even if I was to give you an answer that actually came to fruition 5 minutes later - so I'm not going to take the bait.

That's true in as much as the re's really no answer you can give that would be so universally obvious and advantageous to the Leafs as there's nothing wrong with it.

Take the Kadri for Pesce idea. Would that be a good deal for the Leafs to make? Maybe. Is it one they should consider if it's in front of them? Absolutely. Can they force Carolina to make that trade if they're not interested? No. Is the offer so good that Carolina would have no recourse but to accept? No.

I appreciate that making specific criticisms is a lot harder than just "STUPID DUBAS! MAKE THE DEFENSE GOODER!!!" and trying to avoid them when pressed by ducking the question is a solid attempt to seem reasonable but it's also fairly transparent.
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« Reply #177 on: July 01, 2019, 12:32:00 PM »
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Re: Zaitsev and Brown traded to Ottawa
« Reply #178 on: July 01, 2019, 01:31:05 PM »
I liked the narrative of Brown being a 6th round pick and becoming a solid player on his local/childhood team so from that point of view sad to see a solid honest player go. But he was overpaid for his role and hopefully will get a chance to take on a bigger role put in Ottawa and have a solid career
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Re: Zaitsev and Brown traded to Ottawa
« Reply #179 on: July 01, 2019, 01:34:21 PM »
I liked the narrative of Brown being a 6th round pick and becoming a solid player on his local/childhood team so from that point of view sad to see a solid honest player go. But he was overpaid for his role and hopefully will get a chance to take on a bigger role put in Ottawa and have a solid career
That's what the cap does. Good luck to Brown. Honest player. Funny Ceci is coming to the Leafs with the same kind of thing from Ottawa.

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« Reply #179 on: July 01, 2019, 01:34:21 PM »