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Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
« Reply #45 on: July 06, 2019, 11:41:02 AM »
If this was the Leafs and say Matthews left to go play at home after we won the cup... Best of luck to him and thanks.

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« Reply #46 on: July 06, 2019, 11:57:18 AM »
If this was the Leafs and say Matthews left to go play at home after we won the cup... Best of luck to him and thanks.

Exactly. And I really am looking forward to seeing how Ujiri builds the team back up.
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« Reply #47 on: July 06, 2019, 12:00:15 PM »
If this was the Leafs and say Matthews left to go play at home after we won the cup... Best of luck to him and thanks.

Exactly. And I really am looking forward to seeing how Ujiri builds the team back up.

They have youngish players, do you trade Lowry and Gasol at the deadline this year?

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« Reply #48 on: July 06, 2019, 12:05:08 PM »
They have youngish players, do you trade Lowry and Gasol at the deadline this year?

I think it depends on how they're doing. If Siakam takes a step forward and maybe VanVleet decides he's the real deal and they're looking at a 48 or 52 win season? Eh, take a shot at the playoffs.

If not, maybe. See what's out there. Maybe go into the draft with a fistful of picks or use it to trade for whoever next year's disgruntled star is.
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« Reply #49 on: July 06, 2019, 12:40:04 PM »
Looks like we just didn't have what OKC would have wanted to make the deal:

I'm not inclined to make a big deal out of it because I'm pretty chill either way but I think it's at the very least a little suspicious that Woj's first draft of the article painted things one way, some people online start killing Ujiri for not making the deal, and then there's an edited version of the article that paints things a very different way.

Especially considering Woj has been criticised in the past for being far too friendly to team execs so as to maintain his sources.

Because, see, I buy the "Leonard wanted to go to the Clippers anyway and the Raps trading for George wouldn't have changed things" but I don't buy the "The Raptors couldn't possibly match the SGA/Galinari and picks package" idea. Siakam is better than the player combo the Clips contributed.
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« Reply #50 on: July 06, 2019, 01:41:10 PM »
Huge viral video opportunity to make a parody of the cringey Islanders fan Tavares video but actually thanking Kawhi for his time here and wishing him well in LA.

What's the Kawhi equivalent of "pajama boy"?
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« Reply #51 on: July 06, 2019, 02:13:13 PM »
Not really even a casual fan of the NBA but being a sports fan and cheering for the Raps anyway, I am pretty disappointed
Kawhi left but the Raps did everything right.

It does just reinforce my basic disinterest when the players can decide to create super teams that alter the balance of "power"..

It makes it hard to cheer for a team when all of a sudden they are passed by through no "fault" of their own...

When only 5 players are essentially relied upon it's much easier to alter the results.


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« Reply #52 on: July 06, 2019, 03:00:44 PM »

I don't really think you could call the Clippers a super team now. They've got two star players and a bunch of other good pieces but that's not really different than any good, contending team throughout basketball history.

There's going to be incredible balance in the NBA next year. The Lakers, Clippers, Rockets, Nuggets, Blazers, Warriors, Sixers, Nets, Jazz, Celtics...all of these teams are going to be based around two all-stars and then other good players. Even the Raps won't be crazy far behind if Siakam can continue to improve and be supported by Lowry/Gasol.

Throw in exciting young teams like the Hawks and Mavericks, getting to see Zion play on a team full of good prospects...Basketball is going to be phenomenal next year.
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« Reply #53 on: July 06, 2019, 03:23:31 PM »
Looks like we just didn't have what OKC would have wanted to make the deal:

I'm not inclined to make a big deal out of it because I'm pretty chill either way but I think it's at the very least a little suspicious that Woj's first draft of the article painted things one way, some people online start killing Ujiri for not making the deal, and then there's an edited version of the article that paints things a very different way.

Especially considering Woj has been criticised in the past for being far too friendly to team execs so as to maintain his sources.

Because, see, I buy the "Leonard wanted to go to the Clippers anyway and the Raps trading for George wouldn't have changed things" but I don't buy the "The Raptors couldn't possibly match the SGA/Galinari and picks package" idea. Siakam is better than the player combo the Clips contributed.

Yeah, I think the original "Masai balked" was probably more accurate now that I've seen the reports that there wasn't any assurances from Leonard that making deal would have resulted in him re-signing.

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« Reply #54 on: July 06, 2019, 03:30:26 PM »

Some other chips falling. The Lakers are rounding out their roster with guys like Boogie Cousins and Rajon Rondo. The Raps signed Stanley Johnson. Russell Westbrook may be the next guy to get dealt.
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« Reply #55 on: July 06, 2019, 03:31:56 PM »
Apparently Russel Westbrook was also talked about in a trade to the Raptors.  This has not gone over well with Russel Westbrook and he may be the next to leave OKC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eh4y1VxvdXk
https://www.nba.com/article/2019/07/06/reports-westbrook-thunder-discussing-future
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« Reply #56 on: July 06, 2019, 04:46:20 PM »

A comparison people may want to consider is that this is a little like if the 06-07 Leafs had traded for Chara, won a Cup and then Chara signed with Boston anyway.

Would it have sucked to see him go? Yes. Could the Leafs have potentially challenged for a cup the next year if he re-signed? Sure.

But realistically that team needed to be rebuilt no matter what. Because that team was the tail end of the Quinn years and nearing the end of their run.

The same is broadly true here. I get that the people who aren't big Raptors fans might see this as a team at the beginning of something but it's really more like a culmination of the later Colangelo years and the work Ujiri did to build on them. Luckily though, this did culminate in a Title. Now the inevitable rebuilding is starting. A little sooner than we hoped? Sure. But we knew the risks going in.

Now we get to watch a still entertaining Raptors team, see Lowry set the franchise assists record, see some young guys step up...life could be a lot worse as a Raptors fan. And if you weren't a big Raps fan prior to this run, it was nice having people on the bandwagon but you guys would be gone pretty soon no matter what.
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« Reply #57 on: July 06, 2019, 05:38:34 PM »
Raptors signing:


He’s been described as an “excellent wing defender.”

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« Reply #58 on: July 06, 2019, 05:56:52 PM »

Interestingly it's now looking less like Kawhi choosing the Clippers over the Raptors and more like the Raptors being unwilling to match the Thunder's price for Paul George that determined things.

I'm less happy about that but I suppose it's the same thing in the end.

What are you seeing? Or where? I’d be surprised Paul agreeing to come to the Raps or the Raptors even coming up with a compensation package that was remotely as good as the Clips gave OKC. I don’t know how they would have fit Paul under the caps as well.


This might have been the scenario that didn’t materialize.  Gladly.

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Would it have been worth it to offer, say, Siakam, Kyle Lowry, Serge Ibaka, Norman Powell, draft picks in 2020, ‘22 and ‘24 as well as pick swaps in 2021 and ‘23 for George and Westbrook? That is an awfully steep price for a team that would have precious little depth remaining.


https://theathletic.com/1065113/2019/07/06/masai-ujiri-had-no-miracle-move-to-retain-kawhi-leonard-now-he-will-need-to-maintain-patience/?article_source=related

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Re: NBA Off-Season Discussion
« Reply #59 on: July 06, 2019, 06:25:36 PM »
The Raptors going forward and their subsequent success will depend largely on the shoulders of Masai’s decision-making.  What will he do with Lowry, Ibaka, & Gasol (all on expiring contracts)?  This puts them over the cap, and Ujiri will most certainly want to explore to see what the return could be.

VanVleet is most likely to get the starter’s role (first unit), while OG Anunoby returns to form.  Siakam will continue to rise.

This upcoming season (2019-2020) will most likely be a transition period where the Raptors explore potentials for both the short & long term.

Toronto’s front office obviously has had a “Plan B” in place for the just-in-case-Leonard-doesn’t-return situation.  As patient as Ujiri and Bobby Webster have been in charting the course for this team enroute to a championship, so they will need to be to ensure a good solid foundation will continue bringing success to the franchise.

I can hardly wait.

For now, the Raptors still look good:
https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2019/7/6/20684162/kawhi-leonard-free-agency-raptors-future-itll-be-ok
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