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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #585 on: June 24, 2019, 11:24:44 PM »
How are Leafs going to offer sheet a player when they don't have their 2020 first rounder?

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #586 on: June 25, 2019, 12:00:09 AM »
How are Leafs going to offer sheet a player when they don't have their 2020 first rounder?
This is all based on if Marner signs an offer sheet of 4 1sts.
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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #587 on: June 25, 2019, 12:03:19 AM »
How are Leafs going to offer sheet a player when they don't have their 2020 first rounder?
This is all based on if Marner signs an offer sheet of 4 1sts.

They have to be your own 1sts. So...Yeah no offer sheet coming from the Leafs.

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #588 on: June 25, 2019, 12:08:49 AM »
How are Leafs going to offer sheet a player when they don't have their 2020 first rounder?
This is all based on if Marner signs an offer sheet of 4 1sts.

They have to be your own 1sts. So...Yeah no offer sheet coming from the Leafs.

I don't think that's true:

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The team submitting the offer sheet has to have all of the required compensation picks, and they have to be their own picks. They have to be picks for the next draft (so 2020) unless they are required to have two picks of the same round. Then they can have two of the next three years picks to offer.

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2019/5/3/18528900/nhl-offer-sheet-compensation-for-next-season-contracts-rfa-point-rantanen-but-not-marner
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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #589 on: June 25, 2019, 12:17:43 AM »
How are Leafs going to offer sheet a player when they don't have their 2020 first rounder?
This is all based on if Marner signs an offer sheet of 4 1sts.

They have to be your own 1sts. So...Yeah no offer sheet coming from the Leafs.

I don't think that's true:

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The team submitting the offer sheet has to have all of the required compensation picks, and they have to be their own picks. They have to be picks for the next draft (so 2020) unless they are required to have two picks of the same round. Then they can have two of the next three years picks to offer.

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2019/5/3/18528900/nhl-offer-sheet-compensation-for-next-season-contracts-rfa-point-rantanen-but-not-marner

Says in the quote you just posted it has to be their own picks.

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #590 on: June 25, 2019, 12:21:38 AM »
Says in the quote you just posted it has to be their own picks.

Right but also that if the comp includes multiple picks in the same round a team can do it by owning two of their next three picks. The Leafs do own two of their next three firsts.

Seriously, just read the two sentences after what you bolded.
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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #591 on: June 25, 2019, 12:27:05 AM »
Says in the quote you just posted it has to be their own picks.

Right but also that if the comp includes multiple picks in the same round a team can do it by owning two of their next three picks. The Leafs do own two of their next three firsts.

Seriously, just read the two sentences after what you bolded.

I read that as pertaining to "They have to be picks for the next draft (2020) unless..."

My impression is you need your own teams picks first or it's a nogo.
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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #592 on: June 25, 2019, 12:28:58 AM »
I read that as pertaining to "They have to be picks for the next draft (2020) unless..."

Right, and the two higher end offer sheet compensations meet that criteria of requiring multiple picks in a round(either 4 1sts or 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd).
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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #593 on: June 25, 2019, 12:40:02 AM »
I read that as pertaining to "They have to be picks for the next draft (2020) unless..."

Right, and the two higher end offer sheet compensations meet that criteria of requiring multiple picks in a round(either 4 1sts or 2 1sts, a 2nd and a 3rd).

So you're saying the Leafs can offer sheet a player and don't even need to give a 2020 1st rounder?

They just give a 2021 and 2022?

I think you're reading that incorrectly or its worded poorly.

From a Sportsnet article a year ago:

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If the compensation demands multiple picks from the same round, the signing team must have the pick in the upcoming draft, and then any additional picks covered in the subsequent years. For instance, if compensation is two first-round picks, the signing team must have its own first-rounder in 2019 and 2020 (since the signing period began July 1, after this years draft).

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-offer-sheets-work-six-players-get-one/

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #594 on: June 25, 2019, 01:13:45 AM »
So you're saying the Leafs can offer sheet a player and don't even need to give a 2020 1st rounder?

They just give a 2021 and 2022?

I think you're reading that incorrectly or its worded poorly.

Nope, I'm fairly sure I've got this one right. I'm reading directly from the CBA(Article 10.4) now:

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Clubs owing two (2) draft picks in the same round, must have them available in the next three (3) drafts.

Clubs owing three (3) draft picks in the same round, must have them available in the next four (4) drafts and so on.

When a club owes two (2) draft picks in the same round, the signing Club does not elect the years in which such selections shall be awarded to the Prior Club; rather the selections next available will be transferred to the Prior Club.


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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #595 on: June 25, 2019, 02:01:15 AM »
I don't know then. It seems crazy that the Leafs could offersheet say Tkachuk at 5 years for 9.5 and the Flames would have to wait until 2021 to even draft.

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #596 on: June 25, 2019, 08:37:38 AM »

I have a very, very hard time believing this but if Aho gets anything less than $8mil on a long-term deal after what we're going through here I might throw something.

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #597 on: June 25, 2019, 08:40:54 AM »
We should just let Mitch take an offer sheet and sheet Aho instead.

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #598 on: June 25, 2019, 08:41:51 AM »

I have a very, very hard time believing this but if Aho gets anything less than $8mil on a long-term deal after what we're going through here I might throw something.

Rantanen is going to the be the one contract that for me is going to drive me nuts if he comes in under Marner.

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #599 on: June 25, 2019, 08:42:58 AM »
Rantanen is going to the be the one contract that for me is going to drive me nuts if he comes in under Marner.

You mean when he comes in under Marner.

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Re: Mitch Marner: what now?
« Reply #599 on: June 25, 2019, 08:42:58 AM »