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Re: Game 4: Bruins @ Leafs - Apr. 17th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #270 on: April 18, 2019, 12:32:35 PM »
herman, I get that Nylander goes to the net area often, what I'm saying is that when he comes back out from behind and finds no one open, drive the net a couple of time a game and if it makes sense shoot.  He'll got knocked on his ass but might generate a rebound, which is much more likely to produce a goal from his wingers than him trying to make a pass.  And will keep the defenders from just assuming that he'll go to the outside.

But having said all that it's time for Babs to making this a 2.5-line game and put Nylander up with Matthews.  Our top 2 lines have to be better than their top line and the bottom 2 lines have to be a saw-off.  I'd put Moore on the 3rd line  and move Patrick down, with the 4th line getting less than 5 minutes TOI or thereabouts.

Win or lose with your best guys.  It's a short series now.

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Re: Game 4: Bruins @ Leafs - Apr. 17th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #271 on: April 18, 2019, 12:43:16 PM »
herman, I get that Nylander goes to the net area often, what I'm saying is that when he comes back out from behind and finds no one open, drive the net a couple of time a game and if it makes sense shoot.  He'll got knocked on his ass but might generate a rebound, which is much more likely to produce a goal from his wingers than him trying to make a pass.  And will keep the defenders from just assuming that he'll go to the outside.

But having said all that it's time for Babs to making this a 2.5-line game and put Nylander up with Matthews.  Our top 2 lines have to be better than their top line and the bottom 2 lines have to be a saw-off.  I'd put Moore on the 3rd line  and move Patrick down, with the 4th line getting less than 5 minutes TOI or thereabouts.

Win or lose with your best guys.  It's a short series now.
Agree again. And I also believe it's time try different combos on the PK. Bad stat...Since 2016 the Leafs have the worst playoff PK...simply can't win that way.

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Re: Game 4: Bruins @ Leafs - Apr. 17th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #271 on: April 18, 2019, 12:43:16 PM »

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Re: Game 4: Bruins @ Leafs - Apr. 17th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #272 on: April 18, 2019, 12:59:42 PM »
herman, I get that Nylander goes to the net area often, what I'm saying is that when he comes back out from behind and finds no one open, drive the net a couple of time a game and if it makes sense shoot.  He'll got knocked on his ass but might generate a rebound, which is much more likely to produce a goal from his wingers than him trying to make a pass.  And will keep the defenders from just assuming that he'll go to the outside.

I'm not sure what you're asking for here.

Go 1v4 in the slot to keep them honest? Shoot it at the crest from whatever angle like Kapanen?
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Re: Game 4: Bruins @ Leafs - Apr. 17th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #273 on: April 18, 2019, 01:19:37 PM »
Occasional chaos in front of the net. Makes him harder to defend. Heck he might even score that way once in awhile.

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Re: Game 4: Bruins @ Leafs - Apr. 17th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #274 on: April 18, 2019, 01:37:50 PM »
herman, I get that Nylander goes to the net area often, what I'm saying is that when he comes back out from behind and finds no one open, drive the net a couple of time a game and if it makes sense shoot.  He'll got knocked on his ass but might generate a rebound, which is much more likely to produce a goal from his wingers than him trying to make a pass.  And will keep the defenders from just assuming that he'll go to the outside.

I'm not sure what you're asking for here.

Go 1v4 in the slot to keep them honest? Shoot it at the crest from whatever angle like Kapanen?
Drive the net with the puck, cut into the slot, take the shot if it's there instead of usually going for a skate around the perimeter. He's very predictable.

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Re: Game 4: Bruins @ Leafs - Apr. 17th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #275 on: April 18, 2019, 03:50:00 PM »
He got the Pasta contract, how about he plays like Pasta?
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Re: Game 4: Bruins @ Leafs - Apr. 17th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #276 on: April 18, 2019, 03:52:38 PM »
Drive the net with the puck, cut into the slot, take the shot if it's there instead of usually going for a skate around the perimeter. He's very predictable.

I think people are just looking for reasons to gripe.

You don't think he would if there was linemate support? He's usually the one carrying it into the zone though, so what people would gripe about then is him turning it over on one of those net drives into a pile of 3 defenders. It's also his responsibility to be the first man back with the defense by default, so people are going to gripe about him being defensively weak.

There's nothing wrong with surveying the perimeter for more options, or waiting for linemates to start extended zone time on the cycle. Marner surveys the perimeter all the time, no one gripes about that because he's got Tavares and Hyman crashing the net. Kapanen drives the net alone all the time or fires off pot shots from whatever angle, but no one gripes about him because he gets a breakaway sometimes.

Nylander drives the net plenty when he has linemate support (see most of Matthews' goal highlights); right now his linemates are nobody's first or even second choice. I also don't see any other centre elevating the play of Marleau + Brown to the extent that Nylander has: not Matthews, not Kadri.

But what about his shooting percentage? Haha, he actually gets the puck into shooting locations consistently. The only other players on the team who are doing that are Marner, Tavares, and sometimes Matthews.
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Re: Game 4: Bruins @ Leafs - Apr. 17th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #277 on: April 18, 2019, 04:00:36 PM »
Drive the net with the puck, cut into the slot, take the shot if it's there instead of usually going for a skate around the perimeter. He's very predictable.

I think people are just looking for reasons to gripe.

10.2 million reasons. He needs to be better and produce. I don't care who he's playing with. People here and in the media witch about Matthews all the time and guess what, he doesn't get to play with JT like Marner does yet he's expected to produce and make things happen. Willy's not living up to the contract right now and we need him to.

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Re: Game 4: Bruins @ Leafs - Apr. 17th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #278 on: April 18, 2019, 04:33:16 PM »
He got the Pasta contract, how about he plays like Pasta?

I think you can make a pretty reasonable case that Nylander's performed better than Pastrnak this series. Pasta was pretty invisible in the first 3 games.

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Re: Game 4: Bruins @ Leafs - Apr. 17th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #279 on: April 18, 2019, 04:48:55 PM »

Lol
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Re: Game 4: Bruins @ Leafs - Apr. 17th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #280 on: April 18, 2019, 05:19:08 PM »
He got the Pasta contract, how about he plays like Pasta?

I think you can make a pretty reasonable case that Nylander's performed better than Pastrnak this series. Pasta was pretty invisible in the first 3 games.

I think you can also make a reasonable case that Patrice Bergeron and Brad Marchand are better hockey players right now than Patrick Marleau and Connor Brown.

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Re: Game 4: Bruins @ Leafs - Apr. 17th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #281 on: April 18, 2019, 05:50:08 PM »

Lol
You may want to re-check that. JT is the leader at EV/60. So seeing Willie does get PP time, let's do this another way...In P/60 all situations he's 7th. O Dog and Ferraro were just talking about Nylander and they were both saying he's playing ok but he needs to do more. They actually acknowledge his wingers are crap, like all have here but both state he's not playing up to his capabilities. Leaves you wanting more. He goes down the wing, turns back up the ice and throws "weird" angle shots at the net was one of the comments. They also said possession numbers are good but if you're on the perimeter who cares.
Bottom line, we all like him and want him to succeed but some of us expect more from him and he has it in him to be better.

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Re: Game 4: Bruins @ Leafs - Apr. 17th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #282 on: April 18, 2019, 07:51:06 PM »
Those numbers are for 5v5. EV strength are the numbers you reference, GT.

It’s also a bit laughable to gauge Nylander’s PP points since that unit is literally just him and an injured Gardiner.
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Re: Game 4: Bruins @ Leafs - Apr. 17th, 7:00pm - CBC, Fan 590
« Reply #283 on: April 18, 2019, 10:16:22 PM »
Those numbers are for 5v5. EV strength are the numbers you reference, GT.

It’s also a bit laughable to gauge Nylander’s PP points since that unit is literally just him and an injured Gardiner.

Nylander is also 3rd on the Leafs in 5v5 G/60 in the playoffs so far.
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