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Re: Nylander signs 6-year contract
« Reply #180 on: December 03, 2018, 12:14:17 PM »

Babcock pretty convincingly said that Dermott will play tomorrow, so if no one went on waivers a trade needs to drop for that to happen.

The Leafs could also swap Ozhiganov to the Marlies and bring back Dermott before 5pm.

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« Reply #181 on: December 03, 2018, 12:18:33 PM »
The Leafs could also swap Ozhiganov to the Marlies and bring back Dermott before 5pm.

Right, that would be Plan B if they can't get a trade done in time.

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« Reply #182 on: December 03, 2018, 12:21:00 PM »

That seems to more or less jive with the notion that the contract dispute would mean that the room would resent Nylander and would reject his return.

It makes too much sense for Marner to do this even if there was a rift in the room:
- Nylander sets the table for Marner's negotiation
- Marner loves memes
- Marner loves dancing
- Marner loves hugs


Basically, lol to anyone who thinks Nylander's stand was bad for the locker room.
Here we have the biggest reason this whole thing was a thing, and the most likely cap casualty both taking time out of their evening routine to welcome Willy.

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« Reply #183 on: December 03, 2018, 12:25:08 PM »
So probably Leivo for like a 7th or an AHL player who doesn't have to go on the NHL roster?

Leivo for a upper quality AHL goalie who's already passed through waivers might interest me I guess. But if it's just for a 6th or 7th round pick then like I said just waive Gauthier or Holl, they'd both clear I'd imagine.

I know this is probably just me being optimistic but at this point Leivo has basically played an entire season's worth of NHL games over his career. In those 84 games he's got 14 goals, 28 points with pretty decent possession numbers and only getting around 11 minutes a game.

I appreciate the ways in which the NHL doesn't tend to work like this but if that represented a single season for a player, what would that player be worth? Ok, still not much probably but the idea of getting a 3rd or a 4th for a guy who's sort of proven he can be an effective 4th liner with some scoring punch isn't the craziest thing in the world.

You really kind of have to feel bad for Leivo in this scenario too.   He did everything the right way.  Kept his mouth shut despite sitting on the bench all of last year not getting an opportunity.  This year he hasn't exactly lit the world on fire but the 4th line has really been quite decent.  I'm really not fussed about say losing Gauthier and his 3 goals in 59 games.

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« Reply #184 on: December 03, 2018, 12:27:50 PM »
You really kind of have to feel bad for Leivo in this scenario too.   He did everything the right way.  Kept his mouth shut despite sitting on the bench all of last year not getting an opportunity.  This year he hasn't exactly lit the world on fire but the 4th line has really been quite decent.  I'm really not fussed about say losing Gauthier and his 3 goals in 59 games.

Ultimately, I think trading Leivo would be doing right by him. Give him a chance to play for a coach that will appreciate his gifts.

It would tickle me to no end if Carolina took him for Brett Pesce.

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« Reply #185 on: December 03, 2018, 12:58:16 PM »
In Swedish media there was an article today about Borje Salming's call to William. It basically is about how money is not everything, and Toronto is the place to be if you love hockey, and how he really should consider the risks of not singning with a team where he is really appreciated by the coach etc.

https://www.expressen.se/sport/hockey/nhl/salmings-okanda-samtal-till-nylander/

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« Reply #186 on: December 03, 2018, 01:08:07 PM »
I kind of view this as a CBA problem more than anything else. Lack of arbitration means each side is incentivized to dig in.

I've been thinking about this a bit. I agree that the current set-up seems to encourage this sort of brinksmanship where a major chunk of a season can be a casualty but if arbitration were to be the other option I think it'd be just as bad as what it would do would A) add the often contentious and adversarial arbitration process to what might already be a tense relationship and B) would simply extend negotiations on long term deals that would seem to be in everyone's interests.

So what is a better solution? I'm not sure. I'm sure the NHL will try to get something in the next CBA that restricts the bargaining power of RFAs even further but I think history has taught us that any sort of power you give to players who are among the more valuable players in the game is going to be used to maximum effect. I think if the NHL really wants to avoid these disputes, some sort of softening of the cap is the only way forward.
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Re: Nylander signs 6-year contract
« Reply #187 on: December 03, 2018, 01:17:13 PM »
Soften the cap? Yes please.

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« Reply #188 on: December 03, 2018, 01:28:06 PM »

I don't like the idea of a cap but it feels like the thing people most like about caps(it restricts the ability of big market teams to build via the UFA market) doesn't have to be at odds with the thing people don't like about caps(restricting a team's ability to sign their own drafted/developed players at the market rate).

The only thing a hard cap really does is that it protects teams who think it's unfair that they should have to pay their own players a market rate. That shouldn't be the hill the NHL dies on.
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« Reply #189 on: December 03, 2018, 01:44:34 PM »

That seems to more or less jive with the notion that the contract dispute would mean that the room would resent Nylander and would reject his return.

It makes too much sense for Marner to do this even if there was a rift in the room:
- Nylander sets the table for Marner's negotiation
- Marner loves memes
- Marner loves dancing
- Marner loves hugs

Also snak-pack and sippy cup.

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« Reply #190 on: December 03, 2018, 01:47:09 PM »
In Swedish media there was an article today about Borje Salming's call to William. It basically is about how money is not everything, and Toronto is the place to be if you love hockey, and how he really should consider the risks of not singning with a team where he is really appreciated by the coach etc.

https://www.expressen.se/sport/hockey/nhl/salmings-okanda-samtal-till-nylander/



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Brje Salming talks further about the telephone conversation with William Nylander.

"I reminded William that in Toronto he is well-liked by the coach, he has played a lot. There is no guarantee that it would be the same if he went to another club. Then he could end up on the bench and finally in the farm team.

Okay Borje.
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Re: Nylander signs 6-year contract
« Reply #191 on: December 03, 2018, 01:48:20 PM »
In Swedish media there was an article today about Borje Salming's call to William. It basically is about how money is not everything, and Toronto is the place to be if you love hockey, and how he really should consider the risks of not singning with a team where he is really appreciated by the coach etc.

https://www.expressen.se/sport/hockey/nhl/salmings-okanda-samtal-till-nylander/



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Brje Salming talks further about the telephone conversation with William Nylander.

"I reminded William that in Toronto he is well-liked by the coach, he has played a lot. There is no guarantee that it would be the same if he went to another club. Then he could end up on the bench and finally in the farm team.

Okay Borje.
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Re: Nylander signs 6-year contract
« Reply #192 on: December 03, 2018, 01:58:17 PM »
In Swedish media there was an article today about Borje Salming's call to William. It basically is about how money is not everything, and Toronto is the place to be if you love hockey, and how he really should consider the risks of not singning with a team where he is really appreciated by the coach etc.

https://www.expressen.se/sport/hockey/nhl/salmings-okanda-samtal-till-nylander/



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Brje Salming talks further about the telephone conversation with William Nylander.

"I reminded William that in Toronto he is well-liked by the coach, he has played a lot. There is no guarantee that it would be the same if he went to another club. Then he could end up on the bench and finally in the farm team.

Okay Borje.
I don't agree with the risk of him ending up in the farm, however I think it was a good thing Borje called as he carries a lot of respect. What I think William was told was winning with Toronto is the biggest thing you can do in hockey right now, and the option is to play for a team where people don't play as much, and how he's got the chance of doing something neither Borje nor Mats did.
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Re: Nylander signs 6-year contract
« Reply #193 on: December 03, 2018, 02:22:56 PM »

I am very happy that Nylander is staying in Toronto but I do sort of feel like Leafs fans would be wise to not lean too heavily on the idea that winning in Toronto is somehow better than winning somewhere else. I feel like that takes us uncomfortably close to being the sort of caricature some people say we are. It's the Cup, if you win it it's probably pretty terrific no matter where.
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Re: Nylander signs 6-year contract
« Reply #194 on: December 03, 2018, 02:27:05 PM »
Ya, I think it's up to the individual player to decide if it's the biggest thing or not.

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« Reply #194 on: December 03, 2018, 02:27:05 PM »