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« Reply #210 on: January 24, 2017, 01:19:10 PM »
I only like advanced stats when they tell me good things about the Leafs.

But can you not see these things with your own eyes?.

Was the dress gold and white or black and blue?

Close the site down.  Carlton wins.

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« Reply #211 on: January 24, 2017, 01:21:57 PM »
The problem I have with the "I can see it with my own eyes" crowd was well put by Zee. I watch the Leafs but I don't have time to watch other teams with regularity so putting anything a Leaf does in any sort of context(how is Hyman as a penalty killer vs. other team's penalty killers) relies on numbers.

The people who have a problem with your more advanced numbers don't have a problem with context or trying to rate players across the league, they just want to do so on the basis of numbers that are subject to all manner of biases and outside factors that muddy the issue. They'll rate goalies by SV% and snipers by goals and defensemen by +/- so it's not the concept of numbers they dislike.

All advanced statistics are trying to do is separate the wheat from the chaff in the numbers we use. Is every attempt to quantify the sport going to work? No. But it's a worthwhile process to get at some important truths of the game that just can't be picked up on by only watching one team.

Extricating yourself from that pursuit is fine if you want to be a fan of a team but it is going to limit you when it comes to discussing the sport, especially now that some of these more complicated numbers have taken hold in NHL front offices.
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« Reply #212 on: January 24, 2017, 01:24:49 PM »
I only like advanced stats when they tell me good things about the Leafs.

But can you not see these things with your own eyes?.

Was the dress gold and white or black and blue?

It still blows my mind that, in spite of the optical illusions and deceptive visuals we encounter on a daily basis, people don't understand that cannot simply believe their eyes. Your eyes misinterpret what they see all too frequently.

I still think Marincin sucks.

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« Reply #213 on: January 24, 2017, 01:32:48 PM »
It still blows my mind that, in spite of the optical illusions and deceptive visuals we encounter on a daily basis, people don't understand that cannot simply believe their eyes. Your eyes misinterpret what they see all too frequently.

Sort of the great contradiction in all of this is that for all the talk about stats heads being know it alls or arrogant it's only someone who rejected trying to put what we're seeing in proper context who would say that they're not subject to the sort of ingrained confirmation biases we all are.
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« Reply #214 on: January 24, 2017, 02:14:31 PM »
Sort of the great contradiction in all of this is that for all the talk about stats heads being know it alls or arrogant it's only someone who rejected trying to put what we're seeing in proper context who would say that they're not subject to the sort of ingrained confirmation biases we all are.

When I watch Gardiner play, I just know how it makes me feel.....man.

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« Reply #215 on: January 24, 2017, 02:18:17 PM »
Sort of the great contradiction in all of this is that for all the talk about stats heads being know it alls or arrogant it's only someone who rejected trying to put what we're seeing in proper context who would say that they're not subject to the sort of ingrained confirmation biases we all are.

When I watch Gardiner play, I just know how it makes me feel.....man.

He's definitely the McCoy Tyner of the 2016-2017 Maple Leafs.
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« Reply #216 on: January 24, 2017, 02:25:17 PM »
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ha1TKFMId0[/youtube]

The main takeaways:
"Your eyes and your mind are lying sons of bitches"
And goals/saves are Percentage Driven Outcomes.

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« Reply #217 on: February 08, 2017, 12:10:07 PM »
An update on the Athletic:

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Really excited for our new contributors: @mike_p_johnson, @AndrewStoeten and @dellowhockey will all be writing columns for @TheAthleticTO.

That's Mike Johnson and Tyler Dellow on the hockey side, and a Blue Jays blogger to add some voices to the baseball side.

I remember Mirtle flat out asked twitter users which former player they'd like to see the Athletic try to scoop up awhile back, and Johnson was the overwhelming favourite. So I'm glad we'll start to hear his voice again. I think he's been doing some work for the NHL Network since Sportsnet dropped him but obviously that doesn't do us Leafs fan much good.

And I've been very curious to see what Dellow's next public move was going to be since being let go by Edmonton. Will be good to have his writing back in the analytics community.

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« Reply #218 on: February 08, 2017, 12:22:52 PM »
An update on the Athletic:

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Really excited for our new contributors: @mike_p_johnson, @AndrewStoeten and @dellowhockey will all be writing columns for @TheAthleticTO.
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« Reply #219 on: February 08, 2017, 12:44:36 PM »

Off topic I guess but I really liked Drunk Jays Fans back in the day so it's good to see Stoeten will still be writing about the team.

That said, I always felt that site and its collapse in the whole The Score explosion was an example of why it's sometimes a mistake to turn amateur bloggers into pros.
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« Reply #220 on: February 08, 2017, 01:05:46 PM »

Off topic I guess but I really liked Drunk Jays Fans back in the day so it's good to see Stoeten will still be writing about the team.

Just in case you didn't know, Stoeten's been writing about the Jays at www.bluejaysnation.com for about a year now too.

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« Reply #221 on: February 08, 2017, 01:32:26 PM »
Dean Blundell is out at the FAN effective immediately. Greg Brady will be back in the mornings starting Feb 27th.

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« Reply #222 on: February 08, 2017, 01:36:23 PM »
Dean Blundell is out at the FAN effective immediately. Greg Brady will be back in the mornings starting Feb 27th.

Not a shock there.  I tried listening to him, man he was bad as a sports radio host.  Didn't mind him on the Edge when he had Todd Shaprio and Jason Barr, those were the golden days.

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« Reply #223 on: February 09, 2017, 09:14:36 AM »
Dean Blundell is out at the FAN effective immediately. Greg Brady will be back in the mornings starting Feb 27th.

Not a shock there.  I tried listening to him, man he was bad as a sports radio host.  Didn't mind him on the Edge when he had Todd Shaprio and Jason Barr, those were the golden days.

I preferred Humble and Fred on The Edge. Those were my golden days. I tried Blundell for a while but couldn't take his humour, but he wasn't after my demographics anyways.

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« Reply #224 on: February 09, 2017, 09:19:32 AM »
Dean Blundell is out at the FAN effective immediately. Greg Brady will be back in the mornings starting Feb 27th.

Not a shock there.  I tried listening to him, man he was bad as a sports radio host.  Didn't mind him on the Edge when he had Todd Shaprio and Jason Barr, those were the golden days.

I preferred Humble and Fred on The Edge. Those were my golden days. I tried Blundell for a while but couldn't take his humour, but he wasn't after my demographics anyways.
Humble and Fred are still going. They broadcast on Sirius XM but you can listen to the show as podcast. HumbleandFredRadio.com

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Re: Media Thread
« Reply #224 on: February 09, 2017, 09:19:32 AM »