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Re: John Tavares is a Maple Leaf
« Reply #180 on: July 01, 2018, 06:18:53 PM »
  I would not name Mathews captain,he might be gone next year.
Also the captaincy would be announced at the same time as his 8 year extension

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« Reply #181 on: July 01, 2018, 06:20:49 PM »
  Offer sheets for the max amount,one for Auston and one for Mitch.  They can probably only match one.

Well, first of all, in that scenario the one you match is Matthews without even a tiny little bit of hesitation. But even then that's insane. No team is going to cripple themselves by paying 16 million a year for Mitch Marner.
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Re: John Tavares is a Maple Leaf
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« Reply #182 on: July 01, 2018, 06:21:38 PM »
Watching that press conference, it's amazing how many 'fingerprints' are involved with something like this happening. From Hunter picking Marner, to all the wrong decisions that helped us lose enough to get Matthews, to the Calder Cup win that Dubas had a huge hand in, to Shanahan bringing in Babcock, to Lamoriello bringing in Marleau. All of those factored into Tavares' decision.

Glad it worked it out but man, that's a lot of happenstance.



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« Reply #183 on: July 01, 2018, 06:24:03 PM »
Marner just won the jackpot.

So, we're expecting:
Matthew: 55g, 50a, 105 pts
Nylander: 35g, 60a, 95 pts
Tavares: 40g, 60a, 100 pts
Marner: 25g, 115a, 135 pts.

Or something like that, right?


115a  ;D ;D  I almost feel sorry for the other team's D with those two on the ice.

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« Reply #184 on: July 01, 2018, 06:29:14 PM »
  I would not name Mathews captain,he might be gone next year.

Why in the world would he be gone?
  Offer sheets for the max amount,one for Auston and one for Mitch.  They can probably only match one.
So you're expecting one team to offer sheet both players or separate teams to offer sheet each player? The league that doesn't offer sheet players like ever? Okay

Yep, just because it was rare in the past,doesn,t mean it won't happen.There,s lots of pressure on Gm,s too improve there teams. I can see Arizona doing it,if for no other reason than to get fans to fill their seats. And make a huge impact in the southern states.

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« Reply #185 on: July 01, 2018, 06:32:25 PM »
  Offer sheets for the max amount,one for Auston and one for Mitch.  They can probably only match one.

Well, first of all, in that scenario the one you match is Matthews without even a tiny little bit of hesitation. But even then that's insane. No team is going to cripple themselves by paying 16 million a year for Mitch Marner.

That might be true for Marner,however I just read a thread that those 3 guys could get 350 points next year.

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« Reply #186 on: July 01, 2018, 06:41:11 PM »
if someone offer-sheets marner for the max, you take the 4 first round picks for him, sign the best UFA D for his money and smile to the bank.

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« Reply #187 on: July 01, 2018, 06:42:45 PM »
Yep, just because it was rare in the past,doesn,t mean it won't happen.There,s lots of pressure on Gm,s too improve there teams. I can see Arizona doing it,if for no other reason than to get fans to fill their seats. And make a huge impact in the southern states.

This sort of ignores the reason why offer sheets are so incredibly rare. Teams know that they'd have to make the offer so high, and the compensation so steep, that it would probably be a net negative for them. They're not good hockey decisions by and large unless you're dealing with a team that's pressed right up against the cap which the Leafs won't be.

It's a pointless exercise. Either a player is good enough that matching the offer is worthwhile, in which case their team matches it, or he's not worth the contract he's offered in which case it doesn't help the team offering it.
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« Reply #188 on: July 01, 2018, 06:45:10 PM »
if someone offer-sheets marner for the max, you take the 4 first round picks for him, sign the best UFA D for his money and smile to the bank.

Exactly. You know how usually you hate to see your former players playing for a rival? I would be thrilled if the Habs or Sens offered Marner a max deal.

But they won't and one reason for that is it's not like players have to sign offer sheets. I'm guessing not too many guys would want to play for the sorts of teams that make decisions that bad.
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« Reply #189 on: July 01, 2018, 06:46:32 PM »
if someone offer-sheets marner for the max, you take the 4 first round picks for him, sign the best UFA D for his money and smile to the bank.

Good point,we still win.  Isn't a max contract worth 5 1sts ?

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« Reply #190 on: July 01, 2018, 06:52:07 PM »
Yep, just because it was rare in the past,doesn,t mean it won't happen.There,s lots of pressure on Gm,s too improve there teams. I can see Arizona doing it,if for no other reason than to get fans to fill their seats. And make a huge impact in the southern states.

This sort of ignores the reason why offer sheets are so incredibly rare. Teams know that they'd have to make the offer so high, and the compensation so steep, that it would probably be a net negative for them. They're not good hockey decisions by and large unless you're dealing with a team that's pressed right up against the cap which the Leafs won't be.

It's a pointless exercise. Either a player is good enough that matching the offer is worthwhile, in which case their team matches it, or he's not worth the contract he's offered in which case it doesn't help the team offering it.
  Your right Nik, however Mathews might balk at Babcock,s coaching style and may not be easy to sign.
That was another reason,you might not want to give Auston the captaincy. I,m also wondering if Tavaras isn,t the back up plan,just in case.

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« Reply #191 on: July 01, 2018, 06:56:12 PM »
  Your right Nik, however Mathews might balk at Babcock,s coaching style and may not be easy to sign.

There's a veritable whole wide world of things that might happen. I think you need to start dwelling in the realm of probability rather than possibility before it influences your decision making though.
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« Reply #192 on: July 01, 2018, 06:58:53 PM »
Good lord can we not just enjoy this moment without this Matthews is leaving crap?

Official reports say the dude called Tavares and encouraged him to come to Toronto. That should be the end of the Matthews disgruntled discussion.

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« Reply #193 on: July 01, 2018, 07:04:19 PM »
C'mon we all know Matthews just helped to recruit his replacement.
Good lord can we not just enjoy this moment without this Matthews is leaving crap?

Official reports say the dude called Tavares and encouraged him to come to Toronto. That should be the end of the Matthews disgruntled discussion.

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« Reply #194 on: July 01, 2018, 07:12:59 PM »

I swear, I want to feel bad for Islanders fans or at least be gracious but some of the things I'm reading of why exactly they feel hard done by here are so stupid.

The Islanders got to where they are right now because they were badly run. Not getting anything for Tavares is a symptom of that.

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