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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #165 on: August 30, 2018, 05:08:51 PM »
Are prospects not players in our system, but not yet on the team?. If so them why are players on the Leafs on this list.

It's the top 25 under 25 list so anyone under 25 can make the list.

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« Reply #166 on: August 30, 2018, 06:29:23 PM »
Are prospects not players in our system, but not yet on the team?. If so them why are players on the Leafs on this list.

It's the top 25 under 25 list so anyone under 25 can make the list.

Kudos for taking 11 pages to get to this topic again.

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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #167 on: August 31, 2018, 05:18:48 AM »
Well then they should not be called prospects. Imo if you are on the Leafs you are not a prospect, you are one of the team.

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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #168 on: August 31, 2018, 08:22:30 AM »
Well then they should not be called prospects. Imo if you are on the Leafs you are not a prospect, you are one of the team.

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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #169 on: August 31, 2018, 09:37:43 AM »
PPP: 1. Auston Matthews

#Fremulon #NotAProspect

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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #170 on: August 31, 2018, 09:57:03 AM »
Are prospects not players in our system, but not yet on the team?. If so them why are players on the Leafs on this list.

This thread is labelled prospects.  It includes links and discussion regarding prospects and prospect-like lists.  The T25U25 that PPP puts out is simply that, the top 25 players in the organization that are under 25.  They don't call it a prospects list.  Instead of starting a new thread to discuss that specific list from PPP, we've decided to include it in this thread since the majority of the list would be considered prospects.  We're sorry if that bothers you so much.

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« Reply #171 on: August 31, 2018, 10:12:38 AM »
In the game of life aren't we all really just prospects?

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« Reply #172 on: August 31, 2018, 10:47:07 AM »
It’s a total logjam, I tells ya.

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« Reply #174 on: August 31, 2018, 05:17:25 PM »
You're more knowledgeable on this stuff herman, as well as others here, so who has the best up and coming system in NHL hockey at the moment?

I know the Leafs have a hell of a young core under 25, but who are they up against in the next 4-5 years, in your opinion?

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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #175 on: August 31, 2018, 06:28:16 PM »
Winnipeg for sure: Scheifele (25), Ehlers, Connor, Laine, Trouba (if they can keep him)
Philly looks very good: Couturier (25), Gostisbehere, Provarov, Konecny, Patrick, Sanheim
Columbus: Jones, Werenski, Dubois, Wennberg
Buffalo now: Eichel, Dahlin, Mittelsadt, Reinhart, Nylander (sort of)
Vancouver, still missing top flight D and C but halfway there with: Boeser, Pettersson, Horvat. They’ll still screw it up though.
Vegas has a nice start: Karlsson (25), Tuch, Miller (25), Theodore, Brannstrom, Hague, Suzuki, Glass

There's probably one or two more that I'm less familiar with.

Leafs in comparison: Matthews, Nylander, Marner, Rielly, Liljegren, Dermott, Kapanen/Johnsson/Brown sort of. What really helps the Leafs is the next layer up of veterans are Tavares, Kadri, Gardiner who all still drive results and will for the next 3-4 years at least.
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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #176 on: September 01, 2018, 02:52:49 PM »
Just reading a Star article about Dermott, it was saying the Subbans lad was looking good the "Jordan Subban looked tremendous at the BioSteel camp this week, and could turn heads at the Leafs’ camp"
Lets hope he turns out to be a pleasant surprise.
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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #177 on: September 02, 2018, 12:46:22 AM »
Are prospects not players in our system, but not yet on the team?. If so them why are players on the Leafs on this list.

This thread is labelled prospects.  It includes links and discussion regarding prospects and prospect-like lists.  The T25U25 that PPP puts out is simply that, the top 25 players in the organization that are under 25.  They don't call it a prospects list.  Instead of starting a new thread to discuss that specific list from PPP, we've decided to include it in this thread since the majority of the list would be considered prospects.  We're sorry if that bothers you so much.

I'm going to add a non-semantic argument to this, because it comes up pretty much every year from someone who prefers to draw distinct lines around the NHL and it's worth discussing.

Justin Bourne recently wrote about the distinction between NHL and AHL players.

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Hockey talent isn’t neatly split into two columns: one NHL and one AHL. Instead it’s more like two sides of a folded piece of paper that’s being cut down the middle by a toddler — it veers in unpredictable ways. It’s the same in deciding who gets a shot in the NHL and who doesn’t. Around the fringes, an awful lot comes down to chance.

For the players along the fold, there are many factors in determining what makes them millionaires and what doesn’t.  Those factors include: Being drafted or not (the bias of being drafted in the minds of management is bizarrely powerful given the low success rates of late round picks), the late bloomer versus junior “name player” and player familiarity to a GM with a roster hole. That’s not even taking into account things like salary, age, character, playing styles, team needs, off-ice habits and more. If enough of those boxes are checked for a team with a specific need, it can supersede hockey ability.

When we do a prospect ranking, or development program ranking, the ultimate goal is to gauge how healthy the talent pool that is on the upward half of their development curves is because that's the measurement of future success, not delineating whether a player qualifies as a prospect due to NHL time served. And that means taking into account players that have already exceeded the Calder trophy requirements alongside those that have not. Roster decisions are fickle and rife with obvious bias or situational criteria.

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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #178 on: September 02, 2018, 09:25:42 AM »
Winnipeg for sure: Scheifele (25), Ehlers, Connor, Laine, Trouba (if they can keep him)
Philly looks very good: Couturier (25), Gostisbehere, Provarov, Konecny, Patrick, Sanheim
Columbus: Jones, Werenski, Dubois, Wennberg
Buffalo now: Eichel, Dahlin, Mittelsadt, Reinhart, Nylander (sort of)
Vancouver, still missing top flight D and C but halfway there with: Boeser, Pettersson, Horvat. They’ll still screw it up though.
Vegas has a nice start: Karlsson (25), Tuch, Miller (25), Theodore, Brannstrom, Hague, Suzuki, Glass

There's probably one or two more that I'm less familiar with.

A team I think is worth mentioning is Colorado. Mackinnon is only 23, Rantanen is 21, Landeskog is 25 and then they've got Jost, Makar and Ottawa's 1st coming up.

Carolina and Calgary also strike me as having pretty strong groups.
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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #179 on: September 02, 2018, 09:35:04 AM »
A team I think is worth mentioning is Colorado. Mackinnon is only 23, Rantanen is 21, Landeskog is 25 and then they've got Jost, Makar and Ottawa's 1st coming up.

Carolina and Calgary also strike me as having pretty strong groups.

How could I forget Colorado?! They also have Girard thanks to the Duchene deal.
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« Reply #179 on: September 02, 2018, 09:35:04 AM »