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Re: Ranking Prospects 2018-19
« Reply #45 on: July 03, 2018, 08:58:32 PM »
Subban may not be as skilled as his big bro PK, but he skates just like him.

Dubas knows him well from facing Utica often. Gilman knows him well from being part of the team that drafted him. This is another free bet on their development team to spin up another toolsy player.
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« Reply #46 on: July 03, 2018, 09:43:05 PM »
Subban may not be as skilled as his big bro PK, but he skates just like him.

Dubas knows him well from facing Utica often. Gilman knows him well from being part of the team that drafted him. This is another free bet on their development team to spin up another toolsy player.
Yup. Dubas thinks they can get the most out of him. Apparently he has a great shot and has some talent that hasn't been tapped yet. Let's see what the Leafs development team can do with him.

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« Reply #47 on: July 03, 2018, 09:51:53 PM »
Subban may not be as skilled as his big bro PK, but he skates just like him.

Dubas knows him well from facing Utica often. Gilman knows him well from being part of the team that drafted him. This is another free bet on their development team to spin up another toolsy player.
Yup. Dubas thinks they can get the most out of him. Apparently he has a great shot and has some talent that hasn't been tapped yet. Let's see what the Leafs development team can do with him.

Reading between the lines, that's Dubas giving Vancouver's development program a bit of a soft dig.
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« Reply #48 on: July 13, 2018, 10:12:56 AM »
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« Reply #49 on: July 13, 2018, 10:20:44 AM »
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« Reply #51 on: July 16, 2018, 05:17:14 PM »
Wheeler just put his list out with the Athletic. It's a good one, as he rates skill most highly and is pretty detailed about a probable development paths. I won't violate the paywall and put it here, but I will say, among the forwards, he seems to see Engvall as being most nearly ready (as a 4th line option), Bracco and Grundstrom as being capable of top 6 roles in a year (the latter) or more (the former), and, after that, some guys with tools/potential but some big red flags (e.g. Korshkov, SDA). Basically, by #11, we're looking at long-shots for NHL careers.


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« Reply #52 on: July 17, 2018, 09:05:56 AM »
Wheeler just put his list out with the Athletic. It's a good one, as he rates skill most highly and is pretty detailed about a probable development paths. I won't violate the paywall and put it here, but I will say, among the forwards, he seems to see Engvall as being most nearly ready (as a 4th line option), Bracco and Grundstrom as being capable of top 6 roles in a year (the latter) or more (the former), and, after that, some guys with tools/potential but some big red flags (e.g. Korshkov, SDA). Basically, by #11, we're looking at long-shots for NHL careers.

I just read the article.  He doesn't seem very high on the Leafs prospect pool at all.   Has a ton of negative comments for each player, including those at the very top of his rankings like Liljegren, Sandin and Grundstrom.  Hope he's not right.

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« Reply #53 on: July 17, 2018, 09:43:09 AM »
I don't subscribe to The Athletic, but is Wheeler right a lot?

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« Reply #54 on: July 17, 2018, 09:56:52 AM »
I don't subscribe to The Athletic, but is Wheeler right a lot?

He's a journalist by trade, but has scouted for Future Considerations and tracked prospects for PPP and now the Athletic. He's really young, so he leans towards the modern game (speed, skill, agility, defensive acumen away from the puck).

Here's a mailbag post he answered re: 2017's draft if you want to get a feel for his tastes:
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2017/5/10/15593832/mailbag-the-leafs-and-the-2017-nhl-draft-edition
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« Reply #55 on: July 17, 2018, 10:02:11 AM »
I don't know how good Wheeler is at identifying talent, but if he's accurate with his analysis it doesn't say much for all the years with Hunter leading up the draft.  2 of the top 5 prospects he lists are Sandin (#2) and Durzi (#5), two guys taken after Hunter and at picks 29 and 52, so not sure bets by any means yet they're already in the top 5 of Leafs prospect pool? 

Liljegren at #1 while still technically a Hunter pick, probably would have been Dubas's pick as well since he dropped so much in his draft year.

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« Reply #56 on: July 17, 2018, 10:06:20 AM »
I don't subscribe to The Athletic, but is Wheeler right a lot?

I can't speak to this particular writer but it's pretty rare to write an evaluation of prospects where any one outcome for those players makes the writer "right" or not. It's usually "he may do this" or "if he can develop X, he'll be Y".
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« Reply #57 on: July 17, 2018, 10:18:04 AM »
I don't know how good Wheeler is at identifying talent, but if he's accurate with his analysis it doesn't say much for all the years with Hunter leading up the draft.  2 of the top 5 prospects he lists are Sandin (#2) and Durzi (#5), two guys taken after Hunter and at picks 29 and 52, so not sure bets by any means yet they're already in the top 5 of Leafs prospect pool? 

Liljegren at #1 while still technically a Hunter pick, probably would have been Dubas's pick as well since he dropped so much in his draft year.

He was one of the people of Leafs Twitter influencing the stampede of downvoting of the Leafs' 2016 draft.

I generally agree with his takes when he goes over his PPP Top 25 under 25 votes (skill and projected potential > current NHL track record).
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« Reply #58 on: July 17, 2018, 03:19:22 PM »
I don't subscribe to The Athletic, but is Wheeler right a lot?

I can't speak to this particular writer but it's pretty rare to write an evaluation of prospects where any one outcome for those players makes the writer "right" or not. It's usually "he may do this" or "if he can develop X, he'll be Y".

Yeah, he doesn't really make pronouncements about what players will be. But I think, since he's a younger guy who's attracted to speed, skill, agility, etc., he's pretty attentive to the tools they have and what they might be if they develop. And, as they age and approach the point of graduating, he's been pretty good about predicting what they'll do in the NHL. He was, at the beginning of last season, pretty confident that Dermott, Johnsson, and Kapanen would be useful contributors, and they were.

So, if he says the Marlies don't have under-23 players ready for the Leafs, I believe it.

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« Reply #59 on: July 17, 2018, 04:13:28 PM »
I don't subscribe to The Athletic, but is Wheeler right a lot?

I can't speak to this particular writer but it's pretty rare to write an evaluation of prospects where any one outcome for those players makes the writer "right" or not. It's usually "he may do this" or "if he can develop X, he'll be Y".

Yeah, he doesn't really make pronouncements about what players will be. But I think, since he's a younger guy who's attracted to speed, skill, agility, etc., he's pretty attentive to the tools they have and what they might be if they develop. And, as they age and approach the point of graduating, he's been pretty good about predicting what they'll do in the NHL. He was, at the beginning of last season, pretty confident that Dermott, Johnsson, and Kapanen would be useful contributors, and they were.

So, if he says the Marlies don't have under-23 players ready for the Leafs, I believe it.




 Dermott, Johnsson, and Kapanen would be useful contributors.   Anyone could see them three coming a mile away, so IMO that don't say much.

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