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Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« Reply #105 on: August 22, 2018, 02:48:43 PM »
Anyone thinking that the Leafs are trying to sign all 3 long term and want to announce the big 3 at the same time?  It's been so quiet on this front other than the occasional report of "talks are ongoing" that I've heard from Nylander and Matthews's camp.  Probably not realistic that they'd be able to keep all 3 contracts on the down low so as to announce them on the same day, but you never know.

Not to ask a dumb question but why would the Leafs want that? Or the players?

Leafs would want it to settle any outstanding questions that are bound to arise if only Nylander's contract gets announced and the other 2 go into their final contract years.  It's bound to be a talking point until they all get done.

For the players there's no reason to have it announced at the same time. 

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Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« Reply #106 on: August 22, 2018, 03:17:27 PM »
Leafs would want it to settle any outstanding questions that are bound to arise if only Nylander's contract gets announced and the other 2 go into their final contract years.  It's bound to be a talking point until they all get done.

I'm still not really following. What questions? It seems like if any of them are unsigned, or at least the deals aren't announced, the questions are fundamentally the same. How does Nylander signing change the questions they'd be asked re: the other two.
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Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« Reply #107 on: August 22, 2018, 03:46:50 PM »
Leafs would want it to settle any outstanding questions that are bound to arise if only Nylander's contract gets announced and the other 2 go into their final contract years.  It's bound to be a talking point until they all get done.

I'm still not really following. What questions? It seems like if any of them are unsigned, or at least the deals aren't announced, the questions are fundamentally the same. How does Nylander signing change the questions they'd be asked re: the other two.

It'd be a cute story?  :-\

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« Reply #108 on: August 22, 2018, 05:08:30 PM »
Leafs would want it to settle any outstanding questions that are bound to arise if only Nylander's contract gets announced and the other 2 go into their final contract years.  It's bound to be a talking point until they all get done.

I'm still not really following. What questions? It seems like if any of them are unsigned, or at least the deals aren't announced, the questions are fundamentally the same. How does Nylander signing change the questions they'd be asked re: the other two.

Only thing I could think would be that the team would still be answering "can you sign Matthews/Marner questions" from the media but I doubt that Dubas really cares.

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Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« Reply #109 on: August 22, 2018, 05:48:11 PM »
It'd be a cute story?  :-\

Which I wouldn't necessarily dismiss as teams have done it before(I'm thinking Kane/Toews) but that doesn't really seem to be a good fit here as everyone will presumably be making different amounts and for different term.

I'm still not really following. What questions? It seems like if any of them are unsigned, or at least the deals aren't announced, the questions are fundamentally the same. How does Nylander signing change the questions they'd be asked re: the other two.

Only thing I could think would be that the team would still be answering "can you sign Matthews/Marner questions" from the media but I doubt that Dubas really cares.

And beyond that, it's hard to imagine Nylander signing for an amount that would drastically change that answer.
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Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« Reply #110 on: August 22, 2018, 06:25:01 PM »
Leafs would want it to settle any outstanding questions that are bound to arise if only Nylander's contract gets announced and the other 2 go into their final contract years.  It's bound to be a talking point until they all get done.

I'm still not really following. What questions? It seems like if any of them are unsigned, or at least the deals aren't announced, the questions are fundamentally the same. How does Nylander signing change the questions they'd be asked re: the other two.
Could be a distraction throughout the season if both Matthews and Marner are unsigned. Would continue to be a talking point especially if both are putting up career best seasons. It would be better to put the contracts on the books so there's no lingering questions about how they'll all fit under the cap and the team can focus on hockey.   

Announcing all 3 on the same day would just be a great media day, Leafs lock up their young drafted core stars and everyone feels good pre-season starting.

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Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« Reply #111 on: August 22, 2018, 06:42:27 PM »
Could be a distraction throughout the season if both Matthews and Marner are unsigned. Would continue to be a talking point especially if both are putting up career best seasons. It would be better to put the contracts on the books so there's no lingering questions about how they'll all fit under the cap and the team can focus on hockey. 

But if that's true that's an incentive to get them all signed ASAP(or at least to get them signed before the season begins), not to announce them all at once. 

And, like we've said elsewhere in this thread, signing them before the season isn't simple like that. Sure, contracts could be an issue during the year but the flip side to that is that you might have a situation where Marner and Matthews want to get paid based on the idea that they have a big third year anyway and the Leafs would have to negotiate with them on that basis.

Honestly, strip it all away and the only real thing you're left with is that if they announce all three deals at once is that it might be fun for fans which, true or not, makes me think it's not all that high a priority.   
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Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« Reply #112 on: September 06, 2018, 11:26:28 AM »
An interesting stat here that I hope Nylander's agent doesn't know about:


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Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« Reply #113 on: September 06, 2018, 05:12:04 PM »
I hope he gets with the program and does a deal that helps the team, like Tavares did.  I can see Mitch and Austin doing it.  Nylander worries me as I think him and his agent think he has earned more then he has. Trust me he had better be on Board. As I want a cup and I hope greedy players don't stop it from happining.

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Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« Reply #114 on: September 06, 2018, 05:32:40 PM »

The important thing is to form hard opinions based on absolutely no facts. Sports Talk Radio needs to fill air time.
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Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« Reply #115 on: September 06, 2018, 05:46:50 PM »
I hope he gets with the program and does a deal that helps the team, like Tavares did.  I can see Mitch and Austin doing it.  Nylander worries me as I think him and his agent think he has earned more then he has. Trust me he had better be on Board. As I want a cup and I hope greedy players don't stop it from happining.

I think it's probably best to not pass judgement on Nylander, or any player, as negotiations are often not about greed, but about finding a middle ground that both sides can live with.

Because Nylander hasn't signed doesn't mean he's being greedy, just like it doesn't mean that the Leafs are being greedy.

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Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« Reply #116 on: September 06, 2018, 06:57:44 PM »
So Dreger says he believes Nylander will miss the start of training camp - based on what I have to assume he's got his usual "out of his ass" source

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Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« Reply #117 on: September 06, 2018, 07:10:58 PM »
I hope he gets with the program and does a deal that helps the team, like Tavares did.  I can see Mitch and Austin doing it.  Nylander worries me as I think him and his agent think he has earned more then he has. Trust me he had better be on Board. As I want a cup and I hope greedy players don't stop it from happining.

This is truly, truly amazing since pretty much everyone accepts that Marner will get more than Nylander does even though they essentially have the same value.

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Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« Reply #118 on: September 07, 2018, 09:12:13 AM »
This is truly, truly amazing since pretty much everyone accepts that Marner will get more than Nylander does even though they essentially have the same value.

Nah, I can't be on board with the last part of that opinion.

I'll bet if you gave all the other teams the choice of either in a trade, the majority would take Marner.

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Re: Contracts for the Big-3
« Reply #119 on: September 07, 2018, 03:12:07 PM »
This is truly, truly amazing since pretty much everyone accepts that Marner will get more than Nylander does even though they essentially have the same value.

Nah, I can't be on board with the last part of that opinion.

I'll bet if you gave all the other teams the choice of either in a trade, the majority would take Marner.

I am a Marner fanboy, but I'd bet more would choose Nylander if only because he can play Center- the much more valuable position.

As for their value.  Yes, their value today should be pretty much on par.  However, Marner has one more year to increase his value before signing his deal. 

And because he's signing one year later, with the cap probably going up, you can also state that Marner should get a smidge more money if they sign the same contract length.

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« Reply #119 on: September 07, 2018, 03:12:07 PM »