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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #780 on: October 30, 2018, 02:13:50 PM »
At some point is it safe to say he's not getting opportunities not because of racial or personality issues, but rather because he's not good enough or hasn't earned them?

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« Reply #781 on: October 30, 2018, 02:25:44 PM »
At some point is it safe to say he's not getting opportunities not because of racial or personality issues, but rather because he's not good enough or hasn't earned them?

How effective can someone be if you suppress his opportunity to play during his prime growth and development stage?

I think I'd like to see him get a good run with some good players before saying he's a bust for certain. It's literally the perfect time for the Islanders to try to add excitement to their team but it's obvious they're going for less tangible things right now.
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« Reply #782 on: October 30, 2018, 02:29:58 PM »
At some point is it safe to say he's not getting opportunities not because of racial or personality issues, but rather because he's not good enough or hasn't earned them?
Probably but who knows? Maybe he thinks he's hard done by and wants out of there. Apparently the AHL doesn't keep player's ice time.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #783 on: October 30, 2018, 03:08:29 PM »
He may very well be hard done by (and there are articles that substantiate this and the difficulty for minorities to prosper). I'm not discounting that as contributing.

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #784 on: October 30, 2018, 04:20:36 PM »
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Tricky part is these two players play the position we have the most depth, and are on teams that are looking for players where we have the least, so nothing will likely come of this with the Leafs involvement.

But if they give us Puljujarvi for Nielsen-ish, then please make it happen.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #785 on: October 30, 2018, 04:48:12 PM »
At some point is it safe to say he's not getting opportunities not because of racial or personality issues, but rather because he's not good enough or hasn't earned them?

How effective can someone be if you suppress his opportunity to play during his prime growth and development stage?

I think I'd like to see him get a good run with some good players before saying he's a bust for certain. It's literally the perfect time for the Islanders to try to add excitement to their team but it's obvious they're going for less tangible things right now.


I always liked Ho Sang and thought he'd be a natural fit for the Islanders.  Apparently Trotz & Lou have other ideas.  Ho Sang maybe top six offensively but needs improvement on his defensive side.

I agree in that if a player needs further developing and has already shown promise, then at some point he should be given an opportunity to further it.

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #786 on: October 30, 2018, 05:57:47 PM »
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Tricky part is these two players play the position we have the most depth, and are on teams that are looking for players where we have the least, so nothing will likely come of this with the Leafs involvement.

But if they give us Puljujarvi for Nielsen-ish, then please make it happen.

Yep, Edmonton is not a good trading partner for the Leafs.

Also, is he starting to smell like Yakupov or Paajarvi?

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #787 on: October 30, 2018, 06:28:42 PM »
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Tricky part is these two players play the position we have the most depth, and are on teams that are looking for players where we have the least, so nothing will likely come of this with the Leafs involvement.

But if they give us Puljujarvi for Nielsen-ish, then please make it happen.

Yep, Edmonton is not a good trading partner for the Leafs.

Also, is he starting to smell like Yakupov or Paajarvi?

Note how they’re all drafted and ‘developed’ by Edmonton.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #788 on: October 31, 2018, 07:20:24 AM »
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Tricky part is these two players play the position we have the most depth, and are on teams that are looking for players where we have the least, so nothing will likely come of this with the Leafs involvement.

But if they give us Puljujarvi for Nielsen-ish, then please make it happen.

Wow, I didn't realize how young Puljujarvi is...he just turned 20 in May. Boy, Edmonton sure Edmonton-ed his development.

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #789 on: October 31, 2018, 07:24:16 AM »
Oh, and a trade proposal, if you will.....

Nylander + Gardiner for Elhers + Trouba

I feel Winnipeg might have an easier time securing Gardiner long-term than Trouba and Elhers has been struggling a fair bit and has seen his minutes limited drastically the last two years.

For us, Trouba is a much needed RH D-man and Elhers still has a huge upside and is locked in at 6mill per year for the next 6 years. Doable for anyone?

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« Reply #790 on: October 31, 2018, 07:42:16 AM »
Oh, and a trade proposal, if you will.....

Nylander + Gardiner for Elhers + Trouba

I feel Winnipeg might have an easier time securing Gardiner long-term than Trouba and Elhers has been struggling a fair bit and has seen his minutes limited drastically the last two years.

For us, Trouba is a much needed RH D-man and Elhers still has a huge upside and is locked in at 6mill per year for the next 6 years. Doable for anyone?

If the Jets suggested that trade I think Dubas would take the offer and run. Ehlers is basically a LW version of Nylander locked into a contract Nylander should be getting and Trouba is a little less gifted offensively than Gardiner but much better defensively and also a coveted right-hand shot. Granted, Trouba also has a history of contract disputes but at least he has caved in with his demands.

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #791 on: October 31, 2018, 07:45:15 AM »
Oh, and a trade proposal, if you will.....

Nylander + Gardiner for Elhers + Trouba

I feel Winnipeg might have an easier time securing Gardiner long-term than Trouba and Elhers has been struggling a fair bit and has seen his minutes limited drastically the last two years.

For us, Trouba is a much needed RH D-man and Elhers still has a huge upside and is locked in at 6mill per year for the next 6 years. Doable for anyone?

I'm not sure it does much for the Leafs unless you think the Leafs can sign Trouba to a long term deal which seems unlikely with their cap situation. If the Leafs can't really sign Gardiner long term, it doesn't seem like they'd be any more likely to with Trouba.

So then what are you left with? Ehlers for Nylander which is a trade I wouldn't make.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #792 on: October 31, 2018, 09:14:05 AM »
Oh oh!

Would you rather the Leafs have drafted: Rielly, Nylander
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Trouba, Ehlers
or a mix and match... I'd go Trouba + Nylander but I honestly didn't know squat at the time of the 2012 draft.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #793 on: October 31, 2018, 09:23:04 AM »
Oh, and a trade proposal, if you will.....

Nylander + Gardiner for Elhers + Trouba

I feel Winnipeg might have an easier time securing Gardiner long-term than Trouba and Elhers has been struggling a fair bit and has seen his minutes limited drastically the last two years.

For us, Trouba is a much needed RH D-man and Elhers still has a huge upside and is locked in at 6mill per year for the next 6 years. Doable for anyone?

I'm not sure it does much for the Leafs unless you think the Leafs can sign Trouba to a long term deal which seems unlikely with their cap situation. If the Leafs can't really sign Gardiner long term, it doesn't seem like they'd be any more likely to with Trouba.

So then what are you left with? Ehlers for Nylander which is a trade I wouldn't make.

Yea, I guess it depends on what kind of contract you can get out of Trouba. I'd take Nylander over Ehlers straight up myself, but if it's the latter at 6 million or the former at 8, well, that extra 2 million (along with an extra 2+ if we drop Brown) could make a Trouba extension doable.

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #794 on: October 31, 2018, 09:30:48 AM »
Yea, I guess it depends on what kind of contract you can get out of Trouba. I'd take Nylander over Ehlers straight up myself, but if it's the latter at 6 million or the former at 8, well, that extra 2 million (along with an extra 2+ if we drop Brown) could make a Trouba extension doable.

Even with a conservative estimate of, say, 6.5 million long term for Trouba and 9 and 12 for Marner/Matthews you'd still be looking at around 50 million going to Ehlers, Trouba, Marner, Tavares, Matthews and Andersen. Then around 60 for Kadri/Rielly. So that'd leave you with 20 million or so to bring back 14 guys. That's tricky enough without the Marleau/Zaitsev deals, basically unworkable with them. 
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