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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #735 on: October 12, 2018, 09:42:50 PM »
In principle, sure... but the only trades with talents like Nylander (talent, age) that I can think of working out have been one-for-one forward/defenseman swaps. What sort of prospect/pick package could the Leafs get for Nylander that'd be in any way worthwhile?

I'm not sure but if the idea would be to then look to package some of those picks and prospects for a defenseman elsewhere it would effectively still be a one for one swap, you just wouldn't be limited to defensemen who happen to be on teams that also want Nylander.

I'd think they could get Faulk for Nylander yesterday. Maybe a pick, a good prospect, and depth piece -- roughly what a 'for futures' trade gets you -- could also get Faulk, or something similar (good top-4 guy, ceiling known, a couple/few years left on the contract)... Maybe you net a few extra assets this way and, for whatever reason, the roundabout way is how the upgrade at defense gets done.

I sort of like the idea -- if they must trade Nylander -- of stocking up on stuff that'll keep the team's window open for a good while. Picks, sure. But high-quality prospects -- or just one -- definitely. I'd think that, if Dubas is considering a trade and looking toward the future, Drouin-Sergachev would be the model he'd be looking toward.

Noah Dobson or Ryan Pulock from the Islanders, VAN's Quinn Hughes or Olli Juolevi, VGK's Erik Brannstrom, or COL's Cale Maker would all be the sorts of players I'd put at the center of any deal... Except for maybe Hughes, they'd all need picks and/or other prospects to come with. Dermott replaces Gardiner, Liljegren eventually helps make the right side respectable, and one of these might be able to replace Rielly -- whose contract will be up before the forward core's peak has passed.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #736 on: October 12, 2018, 10:08:45 PM »
Hopefully thereís a GM out there that overrates Nylander like some Leaf fans.

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #739 on: October 13, 2018, 11:49:52 AM »
I really think your forward to trade is Kadri. I get that he's on a fantastic deal but that fantastic deal, paired with back 2 back 32 goal seasons makes him a pretty good asset.

Slot Nylander in at the Center position and you now have 3 lines with pretty fantastic hockey players down the middle(not that Kadri isn't a fantastic player).

Other than the Leafs centre depth being not great outside of the top 9, I agree the route to solving the cap crunch lies south of the top 4 forwards. Itís a position of strength because of Nylander. Like trading Zaitsev should probably be the new priority once Liljegren/Sandin look likely to make the jump.
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« Reply #740 on: October 13, 2018, 11:51:40 AM »
I really think your forward to trade is Kadri. I get that he's on a fantastic deal but that fantastic deal, paired with back 2 back 32 goal seasons makes him a pretty good asset.

Slot Nylander in at the Center position and you now have 3 lines with pretty fantastic hockey players down the middle(not that Kadri isn't a fantastic player).

Other than the Leafs centre depth being not great outside of the top 9, I agree the route to solving the cap crunch lies south of the top 4 forwards. Itís a position of strength because of Nylander. Like trading Zaitsev should probably be the new priority once Liljegren/Sandin look likely to make the jump.

I think there's some serviceable centres in the minors and probably a few that could be had relatively cheaply to create a little depth.

Add Rosen to the list of defensemen that may be able to replace Zaitsev.

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #741 on: October 13, 2018, 11:55:15 AM »
https://torontosun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs/is-a-william-nylander-trade-in-the-leafs-future-here-are-8-possible-teams
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/quick-shifts-toronto-maple-leafs-william-nylander-trade-rfa-canucks/

Two articles today that discuss the possibility of moving Nylander and some of the names that could be of interest to the Leafs. Here are some of the defencemen that are brought up: Hjalmarsson, Demers, Spurgeon, Manson, Tanev, Edler, Larsson, Nurse, Pulock, Skjei, and last but not least (ok actually least) Erik Gudbranson.

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #742 on: October 13, 2018, 12:01:03 PM »
https://torontosun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs/is-a-william-nylander-trade-in-the-leafs-future-here-are-8-possible-teams
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/quick-shifts-toronto-maple-leafs-william-nylander-trade-rfa-canucks/

Two articles today that discuss the possibility of moving Nylander and some of the names that could be of interest to the Leafs. Here are some of the defencemen that are brought up: Hjalmarsson, Demers, Spurgeon, Manson, Tanev, Edler, Larsson, Nurse, Pulock, Skjei, and last but not least (ok actually least) Erik Gudbranson.

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #743 on: October 13, 2018, 12:05:35 PM »
https://torontosun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs/is-a-william-nylander-trade-in-the-leafs-future-here-are-8-possible-teams
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/quick-shifts-toronto-maple-leafs-william-nylander-trade-rfa-canucks/

Two articles today that discuss the possibility of moving Nylander and some of the names that could be of interest to the Leafs. Here are some of the defencemen that are brought up: Hjalmarsson, Demers, Spurgeon, Manson, Tanev, Edler, Larsson, Nurse, Pulock, Skjei, and last but not least (ok actually least) Erik Gudbranson.

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From the article: "Or could Erik Gudbranson be a starting point?". No Michael, he couldn't.

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #744 on: October 13, 2018, 12:29:57 PM »
https://torontosun.com/sports/hockey/nhl/toronto-maple-leafs/is-a-william-nylander-trade-in-the-leafs-future-here-are-8-possible-teams
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/quick-shifts-toronto-maple-leafs-william-nylander-trade-rfa-canucks/

Two articles today that discuss the possibility of moving Nylander and some of the names that could be of interest to the Leafs. Here are some of the defencemen that are brought up: Hjalmarsson, Demers, Spurgeon, Manson, Tanev, Edler, Larsson, Nurse, Pulock, Skjei, and last but not least (ok actually least) Erik Gudbranson.

I don't think there's a single name on that list that I'd trade Nylander for straight up.  Nurse might be the closest, but I'm still hesitant.

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« Reply #745 on: October 13, 2018, 12:33:29 PM »
I really think your forward to trade is Kadri. I get that he's on a fantastic deal but that fantastic deal, paired with back 2 back 32 goal seasons makes him a pretty good asset.

Slot Nylander in at the Center position and you now have 3 lines with pretty fantastic hockey players down the middle(not that Kadri isn't a fantastic player).

Other than the Leafs centre depth being not great outside of the top 9, I agree the route to solving the cap crunch lies south of the top 4 forwards. Itís a position of strength because of Nylander. Like trading Zaitsev should probably be the new priority once Liljegren/Sandin look likely to make the jump.

I think there's some serviceable centres in the minors and probably a few that could be had relatively cheaply to create a little depth.

Add Rosen to the list of defensemen that may be able to replace Zaitsev.

Other than Brooks, our Marlie centres are loans or career AHLers. If we move Kadri and slot Nylander there, we are one inconvenient injury from Tampa Bay 2016-17. Nylander and Kadri are insurance against that.

Itís not likely we are drafting a Kadri-caliber centre for the next long while. We already saw UFA forwards dropping their asks to be part of this scoring committee so maybe something on the market will make sense, but I generally prefer not to buy players unless itís a needle-mover (John Tavares).

I think Zaitsev brings a unique element to the backend that isnít immediately replaceable today, but I can see a deadline deal for someone like Nick Jensen being a valid substitute when that move is made.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #746 on: October 13, 2018, 12:41:23 PM »
I don't think there's a single name on that list that I'd trade Nylander for straight up.  Nurse might be the closest, but I'm still hesitant.

Manson would be an easy yes from me, but Anaheim would be stupid to move him.  Defensively sound, and showed an offensive side to his game last year.

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #747 on: October 13, 2018, 12:44:05 PM »
The Sportsnet column isn't quite as bad as the Traikos one, but still... not much doing.

Parayko's the only name between them both I'd do straight up.

Dumba, Spurgeon, Manson, Montour, Demers, Nurse, Tanev I could see if other stuff's coming back the other way -- in most cases, it'd have to be a lot (high-end prospect, pick).

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« Reply #748 on: October 13, 2018, 12:50:10 PM »
Parayko's the only name between them both I'd do straight up.

In terms of potentially available defencemen, Parayko and Trouba are the only guys I'd do a straight up trade for. But I still don't think it makes sense for Winnipeg or St. Louis. I just don't think either team can really afford to lose those defencemen.

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #749 on: October 13, 2018, 01:19:58 PM »
Parayko's the only name between them both I'd do straight up.

In terms of potentially available defencemen, Parayko and Trouba are the only guys I'd do a straight up trade for. But I still don't think it makes sense for Winnipeg or St. Louis. I just don't think either team can really afford to lose those defencemen.

No, I don't think they're very good trade partners -- neither's hurting for forwards, both need young, high-end defensemen. Maybe Parayko and Kyrou or Thomas for Nylander and Liljegren, if the teams, for no good reason that I can see, want to keep their forward/defense talent a net 0 (more or less) and flip ages around.