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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #645 on: August 04, 2018, 07:28:46 PM »
Weird question time.

Bourne speculated about minor league prospects still having a higher reputation than their performance merits.

He said specifically that there was one very clear one on the Marlies that it would be wise to trade while still valuable.

Care to speculate as to who he was talking about?


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« Reply #646 on: August 04, 2018, 08:40:51 PM »
Weird question time.

Bourne speculated about minor league prospects still having a higher reputation than their performance merits.

He said specifically that there was one very clear one on the Marlies that it would be wise to trade while still valuable.

Care to speculate as to who he was talking about?

Nielsen?
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #647 on: August 05, 2018, 02:23:28 PM »
Weird question time.

Bourne speculated about minor league prospects still having a higher reputation than their performance merits.

He said specifically that there was one very clear one on the Marlies that it would be wise to trade while still valuable.

Care to speculate as to who he was talking about?

Nielsen?
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #648 on: August 05, 2018, 03:43:24 PM »
Those would have been my guesses too. Although I still think Goat has bottom line defensive specialist potential. His skating took a real knock when he suffered a horrific leg injury just over a year ago.

To that point he had taken his game to another level largely due to improved skating allowing him to dominate with the defensive game and produce subsequent offence.

I think with continued strength and rehab work the Goat can get back to that level.

Given how much the coaching staff raves about him, I doubt it’s Freddie.

I thought Nielsen’s stock had already fallen, but perhaps he still has some of his Junior shine remaining.

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« Reply #649 on: August 05, 2018, 03:54:52 PM »
Goat for Pacioretty, let's get it done.

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« Reply #650 on: August 05, 2018, 03:58:38 PM »
Could Bourne be talking about Borgman perhaps? After making the team after training camp last fall other teams might be higher on him then they should be for a guy that is a 5-7 guy at best in the NHL

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #651 on: August 05, 2018, 04:47:53 PM »

I don't know much about Bourne and his writing but it strikes me as an odd point to be making about someone that most fans consider to be a fairly minor NHL prospect at best which, to be honest, strikes me as applying to all of the names that have been mentioned so far.
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« Reply #652 on: August 05, 2018, 11:22:54 PM »

I don't know much about Bourne and his writing but it strikes me as an odd point to be making about someone that most fans consider to be a fairly minor NHL prospect at best which, to be honest, strikes me as applying to all of the names that have been mentioned so far.

Agreed. The only players I can't think of that may have relative performance-based trade value from the  Marlies Calder run would be Sparks and Johnsson. Anyone else, and I wouldn't even bother really making a point of it in the context of the quote.

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #653 on: August 15, 2018, 12:29:31 PM »
would anyone do Nylander and Gardiner for Karlsson ? if he agreed to a contract extension....

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« Reply #654 on: August 15, 2018, 12:38:22 PM »
would anyone do Nylander and Gardiner for Karlsson ? if he agreed to a contract extension....

No. Sorry.
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« Reply #655 on: August 15, 2018, 05:14:15 PM »
would anyone do Nylander and Gardiner for Karlsson ? if he agreed to a contract extension....

No. Sorry.

don't be sorry...just a test question....

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« Reply #656 on: August 21, 2018, 08:53:47 PM »
would anyone do Nylander and Gardiner for Karlsson ? if he agreed to a contract extension....

That's a HELL NO from me.  Karlsson is NOT good enough playing defense.  If we needed a high scoring rover from the back end, then maybe.  However, I don't think I would part with Nylander straight up for him at this point.

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #657 on: August 22, 2018, 04:27:59 AM »
would anyone do Nylander and Gardiner for Karlsson ? if he agreed to a contract extension....

That's a HELL NO from me.  Karlsson is NOT good enough playing defense.  If we needed a high scoring rover from the back end, then maybe.  However, I don't think I would part with Nylander straight up for him at this point.


Neither would I.  Not because Karlsson is no good, heck he's one of the best out there no matter whether he's 100% or not, but because Nylander is one player I do not want to see the Leafs lose at such a young age.

If Karlsson were to anchor the defence, he would probably be playing ever more minutes (or just as many minutes as he had done for Ottawa), which means possibly more injuries as well.  The Leafs will be depending on him aplenty back there and with his shot from the point.  It would be asking too much for a 'veteran' like him to carry the load at a time when he is no longer quite the same as he once was in in younger days.

So, no, acquiring Karlsson would essentially amount to taking a gamble in more ways than one, for better and for worse.

As for Gardiner, well, it's tempting to want to take Karlsson over him anytime, but then, would we be losing Gardiner's speed, etc.?   Again, I'd hesitate even if we could get Karlsson in a trade for Player X + Gardiner.
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« Reply #658 on: August 22, 2018, 08:28:35 AM »
My only hesitation would be cap implications.

Ignoring that, I would take Karlsson for Nylander without even batting an eye. Honestly, it's a ridiculous suggestion though. I think people are seriously overvaluing Nylander or seriously undervaluing Karlsson -- he of two Norris trophies. Over the last two seasons, Karlsson has outscored every Maple Leaf except Matthews.

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #659 on: August 22, 2018, 08:40:58 AM »
My only hesitation would be cap implications.

Ignoring that, I would take Karlsson for Nylander without even batting an eye. Honestly, it's a ridiculous suggestion though. I think people are seriously overvaluing Nylander or seriously undervaluing Karlsson -- he of two Norris trophies. Over the last two seasons, Karlsson has outscored every Maple Leaf except Matthews.


So, it's addition by subtraction, or perhaps subtraction by addition?

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #659 on: August 22, 2018, 08:40:58 AM »