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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #495 on: July 03, 2018, 04:12:48 PM »

Yeah. There's no doubt that McDonogh took a bit of a haircut to stay on a contender. Gardiner wouldn't have to.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
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« Reply #496 on: July 03, 2018, 04:14:01 PM »
If Gardiner puts up another 50-point season I can see him hitting a $7mil AAV on the open market.

Agreed. Some of the contracts handed out to defencemen over the last few weeks have definitely raised the pay scale.

You are both probably right- but for some reason I feel like enough GM's out there still think he's bad defensively and that will temper his contract.

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« Reply #497 on: July 03, 2018, 04:16:05 PM »
Also earlier I half-jokingly/half-seriously suggested that the Leafs should experiment with a 5-forward powerplay unit. If they do this and use Rielly on the other unit it could artificially keep Gardiner's point totals down, possibly making him a little easier to re-sign.

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« Reply #498 on: July 03, 2018, 04:16:49 PM »
You are both probably right- but for some reason I feel like enough GM's out there still think he's bad defensively and that will temper his contract.

Sure, but with another 50+ point season, his perceived defensive issues will be what prevent him from getting $8M plus.
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« Reply #499 on: July 03, 2018, 04:19:09 PM »
You are both probably right- but for some reason I feel like enough GM's out there still think he's bad defensively and that will temper his contract.

Sure, but with another 50+ point season, his perceived defensive issues will be what prevent him from getting $8M plus.

True.  So where is your cutoff line for re-signing him?

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« Reply #500 on: July 03, 2018, 04:22:37 PM »
Roughly speaking I would aim for $6mil, settle for $6.5mil, and probably consider trade options at $7mil. I also don't think I'd go over 6 years if it wasn't a $6mil AAV.

If I knew that Zaitsev's contract wasn't on the books I'd be a little more comfortable with going to $7mil.

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« Reply #501 on: July 03, 2018, 04:31:49 PM »
Do we think that Dermott can eventually (soon) replace Gardiner's offense or not?


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« Reply #502 on: July 03, 2018, 04:38:17 PM »
True.  So where is your cutoff line for re-signing him?

I'm probably pretty close to CtB. I might be more comfortable at $7M on a shorter deal, but, like CtB, that's partly dependent on if Zaitsev's contract is still on the books. Its a tough call, because his skills with the puck are not easy to replace, but cap considerations muddy the waters.
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« Reply #503 on: July 03, 2018, 04:45:16 PM »
And to clarify, I don't think $7mil for Gardiner would be a bad cap hit or anything, it's more can we fit it in with all of our other current and future cap commitments. That's where ditching Zaitsev becomes critical.

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« Reply #504 on: July 03, 2018, 04:47:14 PM »
Do we think that Dermott can eventually (soon) replace Gardiner's offense or not?

I don't think we'll be seeing Dermott hit 50 points any time soon, if at all. Although in fairness it took Gardiner 7 years to get there.

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« Reply #505 on: July 03, 2018, 05:00:37 PM »
Do we think that Dermott can eventually (soon) replace Gardiner's offense or not?

I don't think we'll be seeing Dermott hit 50 points any time soon, if at all. Although in fairness it took Gardiner 7 years to get there.

Sure, I guess I was more thinking of 40 point Gardiner, if they gave Dermott 20 minutes a night/some PP duty.

As they start to get into a bit of a cap crunch moving forward, I'm thinking that if Dermott can do Gardiner's job, do they move Gardiner to get help on RD?

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« Reply #506 on: July 03, 2018, 05:07:28 PM »

So, subtract another $3.7M from that immediately, as we really don't want to carry over any bonus money into 2019-2020 when the extensions for Matthews and Marner kick in.  That leaves just shy of $12.5M left to resign Nylander and Johnsson and fill out the rest of the roster with guys like Jooris, Lindholm, Moore, Borgman, Rosen etc.  (1-2 D, 2-3 F) who are on contracts under 1M. 

So, if you fill in 4 guys at approx. 1M, you've got $8.5M left to re-sign Nylander and Johnsson which should be do-able.  Any additions beyond that need to come with some salary subtracted, or we are heading into carrying over bonus money into next season.

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« Reply #507 on: July 03, 2018, 05:42:23 PM »
I mean if he's replacing Hainsey on the top pair that'd be a pretty significant upgrade.

Except that he's a LHD, so, that's not happening. Realistically, with Babcock's preferences, we're looking at him for the 3rd pairing.

Hainsey is a lefty too.  No reason they can't swap out Hainsey for de Hann as an upgrade.

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« Reply #508 on: July 03, 2018, 09:18:08 PM »
I mean if he's replacing Hainsey on the top pair that'd be a pretty significant upgrade.

Except that he's a LHD, so, that's not happening. Realistically, with Babcock's preferences, we're looking at him for the 3rd pairing.

Hainsey is a lefty too.  No reason they can't swap out Hainsey for de Hann as an upgrade.
I think if they sign De Haan on a 4 year deal as some rumors have suggested then we're trading Gardiner cause we can't afford his next contract demand

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #509 on: July 03, 2018, 09:39:49 PM »
I mean if he's replacing Hainsey on the top pair that'd be a pretty significant upgrade.

Except that he's a LHD, so, that's not happening. Realistically, with Babcock's preferences, we're looking at him for the 3rd pairing.

Hainsey is a lefty too.  No reason they can't swap out Hainsey for de Hann as an upgrade.
I think if they sign De Haan on a 4 year deal as some rumors have suggested then we're trading Gardiner cause we can't afford his next contract demand
I can see Gardiner getting traded at some point this season.

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #509 on: July 03, 2018, 09:39:49 PM »