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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #210 on: May 12, 2018, 06:24:25 PM »

I have to imagine that the majority of their amateur scouting work will be done by now so whoever replaces Hunter will likely not have much to do pre-draft outside of being another voice in the room.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #211 on: May 12, 2018, 11:48:17 PM »

I have to imagine that the majority of their amateur scouting work will be done by now so whoever replaces Hunter will likely not have much to do pre-draft outside of being another voice in the room.

Agreed that the amateur scouting is done, however, I think a Kyle & Mark/XXX draft strategy will look slightly different than a Lou & Mark draft strategy (See: 2015 vs. the 2016/2017 drafts).

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« Reply #212 on: May 13, 2018, 08:05:53 AM »
Agreed that the amateur scouting is done, however, I think a Kyle & Mark/XXX draft strategy will look slightly different than a Lou & Mark draft strategy (See: 2015 vs. the 2016/2017 drafts).

I have to be honest, I'm looking at the 2015 and 2016 drafts and they strike me as being stunningly similar so I'm not entirely sure what you're going for there.

That said, I do agree that Dubas at the helm might very well result in a different outlook and strategy than Lamoriello. I think the issue, although it's sort of moot now that Dubas has been announced, is how much of that can really be planned in advanced and what time is required to get that down.

My guess is that most teams will look at their picks, come up with a list of players they think will be available at each of those picks, do extra research/analysis on that short list of players and come up with a general sense of what they might do at each pick.

Of course, every team will also know that they need to have a certain degree of flexibility too. They don't know what players might unexpectedly drop to them or be off the board when they pick. They don't know what teams will call with a last minute offer to move up or down the draft or to shop a player in exchange for picks. So whatever their "strategy" might be, they can't be married to it. Especially not when you're drafting 25th as opposed to, say, 1st.

So, yeah, I think teams will have general outlines of a strategy and good teams will dot their i's and cross the t's on their prospects but at issue is whether or not that needs to be GM specific(and, if it does, how long does it really take to come up with that).

Because we knew that the Leafs were likely going to promote one of their AGMs to the big chair I think any pre-draft prep work could probably have gone on without a GM. You're still coming up with that shortlist with input from both Hunter and Dubas and decisions still don't need to be made on anything until the end of June. 
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #213 on: May 13, 2018, 08:38:33 AM »
Anyone heard what the mandate is supposed to be in Minnesota with the new GM?

That Parise deal is looking pretty awesome right now.  Really though, who would have thought that there would be an issue with a 13 year commitment. 

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« Reply #214 on: May 13, 2018, 08:47:29 AM »
That Parise deal is looking pretty awesome right now.  Really though, who would have thought that there would be an issue with a 13 year commitment.

That's why I'm really cautious about guys like Weber. I know that the whole "Why would he play those last few years if he's only making 1 million" thing has some real logic to it but my answer to that is always that a lot of these guys really like playing hockey and hang on with their fingernails.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #215 on: May 14, 2018, 09:52:26 AM »
Saw an interesting trade idea floating on twitter today:

Adam Mascherin (Panthers prospect who decided not to sign with the club) for Frederik Gauthier (RFA who the Leafs might decide not to bring back)

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #216 on: May 14, 2018, 09:56:46 AM »
Saw an interesting trade idea floating on twitter today:

Adam Mascherin (Panthers prospect who decided not to sign with the club) for Frederik Gauthier (RFA who the Leafs might decide not to bring back)

Any Mascherin* to the Leafs for that tier of prospect talk is A+ in my books.

Also, what's up with Florida's prospect retention issues?

* Adam Mascherin has the same agency as Zach Hyman, who also gave Florida the same news a couple of years ago. He was also the linemate of Jeremy Bracco's on the Kitchener Rangers when they paired up to dummy the OHL.
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« Reply #217 on: May 14, 2018, 10:13:54 PM »
Bob McKenzie thinks anyone who is not Sebastian Aho can be available from Dundon’s Hurricanes.

We could conceivably buy Slavin-Pesce if we are feeling crazy, or pick up Faulk.
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« Reply #218 on: May 15, 2018, 12:33:57 AM »
Bob McKenzie thinks anyone who is not Sebastian Aho can be available from Dundon’s Hurricanes.

We could conceivably buy Slavin-Pesce if we are feeling crazy, or pick up Faulk.

I'd be pretty surprised if they move Slavin or Pesce... but Faulk I could see even if it's just to shake up the locker room. And while he's not exactly the type of defenceman I think we need he'd be by far our best option on the right side so I'd check in there for sure.

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #219 on: May 15, 2018, 12:43:54 AM »
Skinner's name has also been mentioned a lot. He'd be a guy I might target if we want to balance out our lefty/righty's on the wing. He's a local guy with tons of speed and can score. Brown for Skinner. Maybe Zaitsev+ for Faulk. Throw in Martin too after his bonus as well since Carolina's openly talked about wanting to get tougher. Assuming we don't land Tavares that could give us:

Skinner-Matthews-Kapanen
Marleau-Kadri-Marner
Johnsson-Nylander-Hyman

Could swap Hyman and Kapanen if you/Babs want to.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #220 on: May 15, 2018, 12:48:25 AM »

As a side note, I think Marner-Dermott vs. Hanifin-Aho is going to be an interesting conversation in the years to come.
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« Reply #221 on: May 15, 2018, 11:45:06 AM »

As a side note, I think Marner-Dermott vs. Hanifin-Aho is going to be an interesting conversation in the years to come.

You probably aren't going to read this Nik, but it's a re-draft with today's info of 2015
https://theathletic.com/353504/2018/05/15/wheeler-a-2015-nhl-draft-re-draft-and-retrospective-look-back-at-my-ranking/

Marner goes from 4th to 5th
Dermott goes from 34th to 21st

Hanifin goes from 5th to 8th
Aho goes from 35th to 12th

It's just one person's rankings, however, and a fluid situation at that.
Travis Konecny, whom we could have drafted at 24 as an aside, is re-ranked 15th.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #222 on: May 15, 2018, 12:53:52 PM »
Here's another site that redoes drafts....hindsight...
https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/redraft/2015/

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #223 on: May 15, 2018, 02:43:26 PM »

As a side note, I think Marner-Dermott vs. Hanifin-Aho is going to be an interesting conversation in the years to come.

You probably aren't going to read this Nik, but it's a re-draft with today's info of 2015
https://theathletic.com/353504/2018/05/15/wheeler-a-2015-nhl-draft-re-draft-and-retrospective-look-back-at-my-ranking/

Marner goes from 4th to 5th
Dermott goes from 34th to 21st

Hanifin goes from 5th to 8th
Aho goes from 35th to 12th

It's just one person's rankings, however, and a fluid situation at that.
Travis Konecny, whom we could have drafted at 24 as an aside, is re-ranked 15th.

Wheeler has Werenski at 4 and Provorov at 7.  I'd take Provorov all day everyday ahead of Werenski. 

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #224 on: May 15, 2018, 02:47:19 PM »
Here's another site that redoes drafts....hindsight...
https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/redraft/2015/

Their 2013 re-draft has Rasmus Ristolainen ahead of Seth Jones?!?!?!?!