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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #180 on: May 08, 2018, 03:30:23 PM »
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« Reply #181 on: May 08, 2018, 05:35:04 PM »
Depends on the price for me. 2nd or 3rd rd pick? No brainer. If they take him for a cast off prospect (or freebie) like Nielsen/Marchment/Moore, easy peasy.

Scoring skill and automatic carry entries doesn't grow on trees.

Same. Not interested in giving up any of the better prospects for him. I'd even be leery about a 2nd round pick, as his numbers in the AHL and his brief NHL stints don't exactly jump out as impressive. But 3rd round pick or later? Absolutely.

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« Reply #182 on: May 09, 2018, 09:09:28 AM »
I'd pass. Has talent but too many question marks there.

Worth the risk if you can get him cheap.

Depends on the price for me. 2nd or 3rd rd pick? No brainer. If they take him for a cast off prospect (or freebie) like Nielsen/Marchment/Moore, easy peasy.

Scoring skill and automatic carry entries doesn't grow on trees.

Martin for Ho-Sang. Boom.

Ho-Sang definitely wouldn't fit into the new Isles culture with Lou as the helm.  Martin has proven to be a real gud Lou soldier.  I like this deal.

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #183 on: May 09, 2018, 09:18:30 AM »
But would Ho-sang fit into the Leafs current culture?

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #184 on: May 09, 2018, 10:17:57 AM »
But would Ho-sang fit into the Leafs current culture?

Kadri would take him under his wing.  He's learned in the school of hard knocks.

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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #185 on: May 09, 2018, 10:24:01 AM »
But would Ho-sang fit into the Leafs current culture?

Young, highly skilled players (many from the GTA)? Shepherded by a quiet lead-by-example team dad, driven by a high pick yo-yo who previously had a run-in or two with the front office (for being late to practice) and is also a player of colour from one of the most multi-cultural neighbourhoods in the NHL? All steered by a coach with an even bigger ego with the credentials and work-ethic to back it up?

I kind of want to see that here.
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« Reply #186 on: May 09, 2018, 10:50:26 AM »
But would Ho-sang fit into the Leafs current culture?

Young, highly skilled players (many from the GTA)? Shepherded by a quiet lead-by-example team dad, driven by a high pick yo-yo who previously had a run-in or two with the front office (for being late to practice) and is also a player of colour from one of the most multi-cultural neighbourhoods in the NHL? All steered by a coach with an even bigger ego with the credentials and work-ethic to back it up?

I kind of want to see that here.

Also, the whole "culture is over-rated" thing that leads us to poke fun at Lou's rules and such.
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« Reply #187 on: May 09, 2018, 11:05:36 AM »
Also, the whole "culture is over-rated" thing that leads us to poke fun at Lou's rules and such.

A lot of it is silly, but there were a few things I appreciated from Lou, especially coming from the way things were going before: baseline stability, unified messaging. I think they're in a much better shape to add players without their perceived personalities tipping anything over.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #188 on: May 09, 2018, 11:09:03 AM »
Or, to move this away from the over-used and often coded concept of "culture", even the more innocuous hypothetical of whether or not Ho-sang is the worst version of what he's been painted as seems to not be a big deal.

If he bristles at constructive coaching or sleeps in or parties or whatever then I genuinely think that it's not an issue if the team you already have has a good make-up and is well-coached. Either that group works to rehabilitate someone or they isolate them and don't let the bad habits spread. The downside ultimately being no more than just a risk not paying off.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #189 on: May 09, 2018, 11:14:38 AM »
A lot of it is silly, but there were a few things I appreciated from Lou, especially coming from the way things were going before: baseline stability, unified messaging. I think they're in a much better shape to add players without their perceived personalities tipping anything over.

What are some examples of disparate messaging from previous GMs?
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« Reply #190 on: May 09, 2018, 11:24:09 AM »
What are some examples of disparate messaging from previous GMs?

Rampant trade rumours (clearly originating from the front office), publicly airing out disagreements between players and coaches (which are normal), a bit of throwing each other under the bus (Burke/Wilson), all on top of having a bad on-ice product.

I didn't like losing direct access to people like Dubas and Hunter and the assistant coaches because I enjoy the tactical and managerial side of the game, but I am okay with them clamping things down for this period of time after what came before.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #191 on: May 09, 2018, 11:27:20 AM »
Rampant trade rumours (clearly originating from the front office), publicly airing out disagreements between players and coaches (which are normal), a bit of throwing each other under the bus (Burke/Wilson), all on top of having a bad on-ice product.

I can see why someone might choose to not like some of those things(trade rumours though?) and how they might imply a discordant front office but I suppose I never really saw that as mixed messaging. If anything, I always thought Burke was very straightforward and certain in his policies, even if they were the wrong ones.
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« Reply #192 on: May 09, 2018, 11:38:37 AM »
I can see why someone might choose to not like some of those things(trade rumours though?) and how they might imply a discordant front office but I suppose I never really saw that as mixed messaging. If anything, I always thought Burke was very straightforward and certain in his policies, even if they were the wrong ones.

Mixed messaging might just be me phrasing my idea incorrectly. Maybe 'messy' is the better term.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #193 on: May 09, 2018, 11:54:30 AM »
I can see why someone might choose to not like some of those things(trade rumours though?) and how they might imply a discordant front office but I suppose I never really saw that as mixed messaging. If anything, I always thought Burke was very straightforward and certain in his policies, even if they were the wrong ones.

Mixed messaging might just be me phrasing my idea incorrectly. Maybe 'messy' is the better term.

Maybe, but I'm not sure how you could completely separate that from the larger issue with the team and it's direction. Things were messy with Burke because things weren't going well. Likewise, I think things currently would be a bit messier if the Leafs had drafted Puljujarvi instead of Matthews.

I get the idea that, you know, if you're working in an office and your last boss was a disorganized mess that when a new hire starts coming up with rules about what angle your pen should be at if you leave it on a desk it can give the impression of an attention to detail or whatever but it's still fundamentally crazy.
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Re: Armchair GM 2018-2019
« Reply #194 on: May 09, 2018, 12:53:06 PM »
What the hell is Shanahan waiting for? Are we getting a GM announced this week?