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« Reply #690 on: January 28, 2018, 03:45:03 PM »
Brian Boyle repping New Jersey in place of Taylor Hall at the All Star game in Tampa Bay is an inspired choice.

I don't know, wasn't it a couple years ago that not choosing all-stars by skill level was going to end western civilization?

Have you been paying attention to US democracy?  I dont think western civilization will be with us for much longer.

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« Reply #691 on: January 28, 2018, 03:57:29 PM »
Brian Boyle repping New Jersey in place of Taylor Hall at the All Star game in Tampa Bay is an inspired choice.

I don't know, wasn't it a couple years ago that not choosing all-stars by skill level was going to end western civilization?

Have you been paying attention to US democracy?  I dont think western civilization will be with us for much longer.

Sure but I figure John Scott is to blame for, at best, 50% of that.
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« Reply #692 on: January 28, 2018, 07:19:13 PM »
It looks like father time has finally caught up with Jagr as the Flames are putting him on unconditional wavers. I'd think it's unlikely any other team will pick him up and apparently they'll mutually agree to terminate the contract so he can go play in Europe. It's a sad end to what has been one of the most remarkable careers in NHL history. He's a guy who ought to be in the same conversation as Gretzky, Lemieux and Howe as the best forwards to ever lace them up.
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« Reply #693 on: January 29, 2018, 03:26:01 AM »
The beauty of the All-Star Game is that it's the one game where Crosby & Ovechkin play on the same line.

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« Reply #694 on: January 29, 2018, 09:06:48 AM »
Matthews and Eichel have a point...

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« Reply #695 on: January 29, 2018, 10:31:31 AM »
Last season 8 players scored at a point-per-game rate or higher. This season that number has exploded to 28 (minimum 25 GP).

Marchand, Kucherov, and MacKinnon are all on pace to score 100+ points as well. And Stamkos is close to that too. 100 points has only been cracked 3 times in the 5 previous seasons.
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« Reply #696 on: January 29, 2018, 11:17:26 AM »
Last season 8 players scored at a point-per-game rate or higher. This season that number has exploded to 28 (minimum 25 GP).

Marchand, Kucherov, and MacKinnon are all on pace to score 100+ points as well. And Stamkos is close to that too. 100 points has only been cracked 3 times in the 5 previous seasons.

What's the thought for this happening?  The slashing rule changes?  I would imagine that this has cut down not just the slashes to player hands but probably has cut down the hooks that players would get away with on the hands trying to limit shots too.

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« Reply #697 on: January 29, 2018, 11:40:50 AM »
What's the thought for this happening?  The slashing rule changes?  I would imagine that this has cut down not just the slashes to player hands but probably has cut down the hooks that players would get away with on the hands trying to limit shots too.

I think that definitely plays a role, yeah.

Another interesting thing is that league-wide save percentage is still pretty normal. It's a .913, and it's been between .912-.915 the past 8 seasons. The last time goals per game were this high was coming out of the full-lockout year and save percentage around those seasons was between .905-.909.


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« Reply #698 on: January 29, 2018, 12:13:34 PM »
Maybe more shots per game?
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Re: 2017-2018 NHL Thread
« Reply #699 on: January 29, 2018, 12:19:05 PM »

I wonder if maybe generally scoring goes up in expansion years.
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« Reply #700 on: January 29, 2018, 12:33:41 PM »

I wonder if maybe generally scoring goes up in expansion years.

Probably, although this is a weird year with Vegas being one of the best teams in the league.

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« Reply #701 on: January 29, 2018, 12:45:16 PM »
More teams have adopted a higher pace of play this season compared to last, i.e. a general uptick in shot attempts.

Pulling the CF and CA numbers from hockey-reference for All Situations, last season's pace was an average of 7684.533 shot attempts for + against. This season, exempting Vegas' numbers, the average pace is prorated to 9619.388, which is a 25% increase from last season. Obviously, since they're just prorated numbers, these raw numbers should be taken with a hefty grain of salt as teams change behaviour in the second half. I don't have the time to parse the numbers by games played for last season, so we're just going to assume a static slope and linear progression.

For reference, Toronto was the highest paced team last season. This season we are 6th so far, and our pace increase is well below the league's average. Our pace differential is the 6th smallest in the league (i.e. playing most similar to last season).

I can't really tell what effect Vegas has from this view (since I exempted them entirely), but obviously some shots for and against are against them at home.

Here's the table in case anyone wants to play with it. Again, it's All Situations. Probably should've done Even Strength for better stability, but Carlton's observation was raw goals and point paces.

TmSeasonCFCAPaceSeasonGPCFCAprorateCFprorateCAproratePaceCFDiffCADiffPaceDiff
CGY2016-173664359172552017-1849311228885207.8367354832.97959210040.816331543.8367351241.9795922785.816327
FLA2016-173746366474102017-1847283028684937.4468095003.7446819941.1914891191.4468091339.7446812531.191489
STL2016-173595361472092017-1851305629114913.5686274680.43137395941318.5686271066.4313732385
WPG2016-173611370573162017-1850291129964774.044913.449687.481163.041208.442371.48
CHI2016-173974390578792017-1849322728495400.2857144767.714286101681426.285714862.71428572289
TBL2016-173808361674242017-1849301627845047.1836734658.9387769706.1224491239.1836731042.9387762282.122449
ANA2016-173693375674492017-1850277831474555.925161.089717862.921405.082268
NJD2016-173349372470732017-1848263728134504.8754805.5416679310.4166671155.8751081.5416672237.416667
EDM2016-173892386477562017-1849310328185192.775514715.8367359908.6122451300.77551851.83673472152.612245
MTL2016-174149376179102017-1849303429465077.3061224930.04081610007.34694928.30612241169.0408162097.346939
WSH2016-173842364274842017-1849275629684612.0816334966.8571439578.938776770.08163271324.8571432094.938776
SJS2016-173971386478352017-1848299327835113.0416674754.2916679867.3333331142.041667890.29166672032.333333
COL2016-173651380474552017-1848262929004491.2083334954.1666679445.375840.20833331150.1666671990.375
LAK2016-174150343275822017-1849283228784739.2653064816.2448989555.510204589.26530611384.2448981973.510204
CAR2016-174035384178762017-1849315726705283.1428574468.1632659751.3061221248.142857627.16326531875.306122
ARI2016-173617438780042017-1850294930374836.364980.689817.041219.36593.681813.04
OTT2016-173821406378842017-1847267028864658.2978725035.1489369693.446809837.2978723972.14893621809.446809
NYR2016-173735403677712017-1850276830564539.525011.849551.36804.52975.841780.36
DET2016-173576378673622017-1848260027334441.6666674668.8759110.541667865.6666667882.8751748.541667
BOS2016-174147342175682017-1847276225624818.8085114469.872349288.680851671.80851061048.872341720.680851
CBJ2016-173972393779092017-1849290528394861.4285714750.9795929612.408163889.4285714813.97959181703.408163
NYI2016-173856424581012017-1850284731264669.085126.649795.72813.08881.641694.72
NSH2016-174020384078602017-1847269727744705.4042554839.7446819545.148936685.4042553999.74468091685.148936
VAN2016-173592385674482017-1849264328114422.9795924704.1224499127.102041830.9795918848.1224491679.102041
TOR2016-174181408782682017-1851306531094928.0392164998.7843149926.823529747.0392157911.78431371658.823529
PIT2016-174004402480282017-1851312028705016.4705884614.5098049630.9803921012.470588590.50980391602.980392
PHI2016-173999381278112017-1849282927734734.2448984640.5306129374.77551735.244898828.53061221563.77551
BUF2016-173664408077442017-1849266028644451.4285714792.8163279244.244898787.4285714712.81632651500.244898
MIN2016-173845393477792017-1849255329674272.3673474965.1836739237.55102427.36734691031.1836731458.55102
DAL2016-174061402580862017-1850294427554828.164518.29346.36767.16493.21260.36

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Re: 2017-2018 NHL Thread
« Reply #702 on: January 29, 2018, 12:47:51 PM »

Well, Jagr cleared so his career is probably done. What a crazy run.
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« Reply #703 on: January 29, 2018, 01:13:31 PM »
Last season 8 players scored at a point-per-game rate or higher. This season that number has exploded to 28 (minimum 25 GP).

Marchand, Kucherov, and MacKinnon are all on pace to score 100+ points as well. And Stamkos is close to that too. 100 points has only been cracked 3 times in the 5 previous seasons.


What's the thought for this happening?  The slashing rule changes?  I would imagine that this has cut down not just the slashes to player hands but probably has cut down the hooks that players would get away with on the hands trying to limit shots too.
It was a lot more then 28 during the first quarter of the season which leads me to believe all of the penalties called to start the season had something to do it with it. I think the game has opened up a fair bit but the penalties called are slowing down as players adjust. Although I believe there will be more then the 8 last year I don't think will finish the season at 28.
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« Reply #704 on: January 29, 2018, 05:53:43 PM »
Whatever the cause, the conclusion is the same: goalies need bigger pads.   8)
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