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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #525 on: June 01, 2017, 02:42:16 PM »
Off-topic for a second, I wonder if Arizona goes hard after Hossa, Chicago is in a bit of a bind and Hossa only makes $1 million this year despite a 5.5ish cap hit.

Does Hossa have a no-trade clause?  If he does, not sure why he'd agree to go to Arizona ...
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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #526 on: June 01, 2017, 10:50:19 PM »

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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #527 on: June 02, 2017, 09:05:33 AM »
https://theathletic.com/64103/2017/06/01/dellow-maple-leafs-should-table-huge-offer-sheet-for-blues-defenceman-colton-parayko/

Hmm...

I was about to post this.  He suggests the Leafs should go after this guy and give up 4 first round draft picks.  This sounds like a recipe for disaster.

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« Reply #528 on: June 02, 2017, 11:36:25 AM »
https://theathletic.com/64103/2017/06/01/dellow-maple-leafs-should-table-huge-offer-sheet-for-blues-defenceman-colton-parayko/

Hmm...

I was about to post this.  He suggests the Leafs should go after this guy and give up 4 first round draft picks.  This sounds like a recipe for disaster.

When is the last time a team used an offer sheet and got the player?  A simple trade seems like a more plausible route (a la Kessel).

Suggestions concerning offer sheets seem a lot like suggestions that NHL teams make 3-way trades.  They never happen (at least not to my memory, but I'm happy to hear of counter-examples!)

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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #529 on: June 02, 2017, 11:37:27 AM »
https://theathletic.com/64103/2017/06/01/dellow-maple-leafs-should-table-huge-offer-sheet-for-blues-defenceman-colton-parayko/

Hmm...

I was about to post this.  He suggests the Leafs should go after this guy and give up 4 first round draft picks.  This sounds like a recipe for disaster.

I'm not a subscriber -- What contract does he suggest?

(I also don't know this guy ... he must be good, I guess ...)

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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #530 on: June 02, 2017, 11:37:37 AM »
https://theleafsnation.com/2017/06/02/the-maple-leafs-should-weaponize-offer-sheets-this-summer/

Here's the aforementioned article being discussed on TLN.

I'm generally wary of offer sheets, but our window where one makes sense is currently open and will close within two years. This is one area where MLSE has a huge advantage over most of the field, in that they can splash actual cash without sweating it.

Then there's this fun point:
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The obvious drawback here? Making other General Managers angry and not want to make deals with you afterwards. At the same time, though, Lamoriello is heading to the last year of his deal with many expecting him to step down afterward, so he doesn’t have a lot of need to maintain clout for much longer, not to mention that Toronto doesn’t exactly have a lot of outside acquisition left to do before they hit the maintenance stage.

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It’s a bit sociopathic.

Watching Lou drop the mic like that would be kind of crazy interesting.
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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #531 on: June 02, 2017, 11:58:24 AM »
When is the last time a team used an offer sheet and got the player?  A simple trade seems like a more plausible route (a la Kessel).

Suggestions concerning offer sheets seem a lot like suggestions that NHL teams make 3-way trades.  They never happen (at least not to my memory, but I'm happy to hear of counter-examples!)

Last offer sheet success was Edmonton and Dustin Penner.

In terms of 3-way deals, there's been some minor ones - the Tinordi to Arizona, via Nashville from Jan 2016, for example - but, significant ones are certainly rare.
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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #532 on: June 02, 2017, 02:09:21 PM »
https://theathletic.com/64103/2017/06/01/dellow-maple-leafs-should-table-huge-offer-sheet-for-blues-defenceman-colton-parayko/

Hmm...

I was about to post this.  He suggests the Leafs should go after this guy and give up 4 first round draft picks.  This sounds like a recipe for disaster.

I'm not a subscriber -- What contract does he suggest?

(I also don't know this guy ... he must be good, I guess ...)

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Say, for the sake of discussion, that the Leafs extended an offer sheet worth $12-million to Parayko.  In order to be under the salary cap going into the season while matching that offer sheet, the Blues would need to shed $9-million worth of contracts before considering the fact that they would need to replace those players on the roster.  Even if they spent only $1-million on each replacement, which isn’t particularly realistic, it would mean that they actually needed to clear $11-million.  When you look over St. Louis’ roster, it becomes clear that this would be awfully difficult for the Blues to do without blowing out a rather large chunk of their roster for next year.

He's suggesting a 1 year deal @ 12million.

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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #533 on: June 02, 2017, 02:35:23 PM »
That's cute.

But never going to happen. It's a ridiculous waste of draft picks.

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« Reply #534 on: June 02, 2017, 05:47:56 PM »

Quote from: Dellow
Say, for the sake of discussion, that the Leafs extended an offer sheet worth $12-million to Parayko.  In order to be under the salary cap going into the season while matching that offer sheet, the Blues would need to shed $9-million worth of contracts before considering the fact that they would need to replace those players on the roster.  Even if they spent only $1-million on each replacement, which isn’t particularly realistic, it would mean that they actually needed to clear $11-million.  When you look over St. Louis’ roster, it becomes clear that this would be awfully difficult for the Blues to do without blowing out a rather large chunk of their roster for next year.

He's suggesting a 1 year deal @ 12million.

I am not sure why we would offer $12 MIL and lose 4 1st round picks when offering $9.8 MIL would only lose 2 1st round picks, a 2nd round pick and 3rd round pick.

Currently St Louis needs to sign 2 forwards and 2 defence (including Parayko) with only $4.5 MIL cap space.  They need around $0.7 for performance bonuses so they have about $0.9 MIL per player.

If my math is correct that would mean that St Louis would have to shed at least $9 MIL in contracts WITHOUT replacing those players with $1 MIL players.  So each player traded would add an additional $1 MIL needed in cap space.  Assuming they wouldn't want to trade their top salary, Tarasenko, the only players without NTC/NMC with significant salaries are:
Schwartz, 24, $5.35
Lehtera, 29, $4.7
Sobotka, 29, $3.5
Gunnarsson, 30, $2.9

So basically the St Louis Blues would have to fill the 3 other positions and replace Schwartz, Sobotka and Gunnarsson with 6 $1 MIL players to match a $9.8 MIL offer sheet.

Mind you a $12 million offer sheet would mean St Louis would have to trade all 4 of those players and sign 7 $1 MIL players and still only have $0.45 MIL is cap space.

Maybe there could be a "Chris Gratton" "Flyers" trade where the picks could be traded back for assets or a blend of the 2: 
- the 2 1sts, 2nd and 3rd could maybe be
- 2017 1st Pick, 2018 2nd Pick (San Jose's), Dermott, Bracco, and Soshnikov

Then sign him to a 'Seth Jones' $5.4 MIL x 6 year bridge deal.

Unfortunately Arizona could offer:
2017 1st Pick (7th overall), Duclair, Strome and Calgary's 3rd pick which I feel is a better offer
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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #535 on: June 02, 2017, 07:57:44 PM »
Then sign him to a 'Seth Jones' $5.4 MIL x 6 year bridge deal.

But unless Parakyo is saying he absolutely won't sign with St. Louis (which he isn't), why wouldn't the Blues just sign him to that contract? Those trade options don't really make any sense for them.

Unfortunately Arizona could offer:
2017 1st Pick (7th overall), Duclair, Strome and Calgary's 3rd pick which I feel is a better offer

I'm pretty sure Arizona wouldn't trade Strome straight up for Parayko.

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« Reply #536 on: June 02, 2017, 11:24:29 PM »
Then sign him to a 'Seth Jones' $5.4 MIL x 6 year bridge deal.

But unless Parakyo is saying he absolutely won't sign with St. Louis (which he isn't), why wouldn't the Blues just sign him to that contract?

Currently St Louis needs to sign 2 forwards and 2 defence (including Parayko) with only $4.5 MIL cap space.  They need around $0.7 for performance bonuses so they have about $0.9 MIL per player. 

To sign Parayko to a $5.4 MIL contract the Blues would have to move 2 or 3 of:
Schwartz, 24, $5.35
Lehtera, 29, $4.7
Sobotka, 29, $3.5
Gunnarsson, 30, $2.9

Like I mentioned below, to match a $12 MIL 1 yr offer sheet the Blues would have to move all 4 contracts to create enough cap space.

I just am doing the math though since I haven't seen this guy play.  Is he a Bobby Orr, Scott Stevens, Brent Burns?  Is he a tough, crease clearer?  An offensive juggernaut?  I have no clue.  I just read the hype.

Josh Manson was hyped like a franchise defense man who was worth more the Erik Karlsson in a trade.  I noticed he had 3rd pairing TOI this season and stayed up to watch some playoff games and didn't feel he was a superstar at all like some fans made him out to be.

What is this Parayko worth, what is his strengths and style of play?
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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #537 on: June 03, 2017, 08:14:58 AM »
Currently St Louis needs to sign 2 forwards and 2 defence (including Parayko) with only $4.5 MIL cap space.  They need around $0.7 for performance bonuses so they have about $0.9 MIL per player. 

To sign Parayko to a $5.4 MIL contract the Blues would have to move 2 or 3 of:
Schwartz, 24, $5.35
Lehtera, 29, $4.7
Sobotka, 29, $3.5
Gunnarsson, 30, $2.9

Doesn't seem like that tricky a juggle. According to what I'm seeing the Blues have 12 forwards, 5 defensemen and 2 goalies under contract with 4.5 million of cap room. If Parayko gets 5.4 then they're at -900k. They trade Perron and Gunnarson and have 6 million in space to sign 2 forwards(they don't need to carry 14) and a defenseman.
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« Reply #538 on: June 06, 2017, 02:22:57 PM »
Reading on TSN that St Louis *may* consider trading a first to get rid of two years left on Lehtera's contract. If so, perhaps worth the Leafs pursuing, even if it is later in round 1? That first is then either another young asset or something in the bank to put towards a d-man in a trade.
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Re: Armchair GM 2016-2017
« Reply #539 on: June 06, 2017, 03:02:45 PM »
Reading on TSN that St Louis *may* consider trading a first to get rid of two years left on Lehtera's contract. If so, perhaps worth the Leafs pursuing, even if it is later in round 1? That first is then either another young asset or something in the bank to put towards a d-man in a trade.

Lehtera's play really fell off there eh? I wonder what happened. I'm going to go investigate and hope there aren't any parallels to a player in our current organization that I was worried about.

*comes back 5 minutes later*

Goddamnit.