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Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
« Reply #180 on: April 28, 2017, 01:33:40 PM »
Marlies have signed recently ousted London Knight J.J. Piccinich to a 2-year AHL contract. He was drafted by the Leafs in 2014 in the 4th Rd. and played on the Knights' energy line.

As a secondary scoring right winger in Juniors, JJ will have a tough time cracking the Leafs' lineup anytime soon, with the likes of Nylander, Marner, Kapanen, Brown, Griffith, Bracco, Korostelev, Korshkov ahead of him.

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Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
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Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
« Reply #181 on: April 28, 2017, 01:59:10 PM »
Marlies have signed recently ousted London Knight J.J. Piccinich to a 2-year AHL contract. He was drafted by the Leafs in 2014 in the 4th Rd. and played on the Knights' energy line.

As a secondary scoring right winger in Juniors, JJ will have a tough time cracking the Leafs' lineup anytime soon, with the likes of Nylander, Marner, Kapanen, Brown, Griffith, Bracco, Korostelev, Korshkov ahead of him.

Is there a point where you will admit that Griffith may not be a thing?
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Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
« Reply #182 on: April 28, 2017, 03:28:40 PM »
Is there a point where you will admit that Griffith may not be a thing?

The Piccinich move (along with Cameranesi, Holl, Froese, Clune, Brennan, etc.) shows Toronto's intention of truly developing their assets. Instead of cutting bait, they're keeping them involved and inside their system, but off the SPC list, until such a time their value is realized (trade or call up).

With Griffith, I'm reminded of what Babcock mentioned about Kadri and JvR being young in their development, and his treatment of Corrado, Holland and Leivo, vs. Smith and Polak. Some players come from other organizations and their foundations (read: fitness, gudpro/60) aren't quite up to the standard Babcock wants/needs on the Leafs.

I think the Leafs are going to slow roll the rookies from here on out (never will we have a cohort such as this), so Griffith's value will come as an injury call-up into the top 9. I think he's worth a much longer look than he has received, even though he is not a slam dunk the way Nylander is. He's as AHL good as Leipsic, so if you're pretty high on Leipsic making hay in the NHL, thar be Griffith too.

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Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
« Reply #183 on: April 28, 2017, 03:33:18 PM »
Is there a point where you will admit that Griffith may not be a thing?

The Piccinich move (along with Cameranesi, Holl, Froese, Clune, Brennan, etc.) shows Toronto's intention of truly developing their assets. Instead of cutting bait, they're keeping them involved and inside their system, but off the SPC list, until such a time their value is realized (trade or call up).

With Griffith, I'm reminded of what Babcock mentioned about Kadri and JvR being young in their development, and his treatment of Corrado, Holland and Leivo, vs. Smith and Polak. Some players come from other organizations and their foundations (read: fitness, gudpro/60) aren't quite up to the standard Babcock wants/needs on the Leafs.

I think the Leafs are going to slow roll the rookies from here on out (never will we have a cohort such as this), so Griffith's value will come as an injury call-up into the top 9. I think he's worth a much longer look than he has received, even though he is not a slam dunk the way Nylander is. He's as AHL good as Leipsic, so if you're pretty high on Leipsic making hay in the NHL, thar be Griffith too.

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Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
« Reply #184 on: April 28, 2017, 05:30:22 PM »
Is there a point where you will admit that Griffith may not be a thing?

The Piccinich move (along with Cameranesi, Holl, Froese, Clune, Brennan, etc.) shows Toronto's intention of truly developing their assets. Instead of cutting bait, they're keeping them involved and inside their system, but off the SPC list, until such a time their value is realized (trade or call up).

With Griffith, I'm reminded of what Babcock mentioned about Kadri and JvR being young in their development, and his treatment of Corrado, Holland and Leivo, vs. Smith and Polak. Some players come from other organizations and their foundations (read: fitness, gudpro/60) aren't quite up to the standard Babcock wants/needs on the Leafs.

I think the Leafs are going to slow roll the rookies from here on out (never will we have a cohort such as this), so Griffith's value will come as an injury call-up into the top 9. I think he's worth a much longer look than he has received, even though he is not a slam dunk the way Nylander is. He's as AHL good as Leipsic, so if you're pretty high on Leipsic making hay in the NHL, thar be Griffith too.

"No" would be quicker.

That's rich. ;)

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Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
« Reply #185 on: April 28, 2017, 05:41:53 PM »
"No" would be quicker.

It would also be a poor discussion-inducer, and an improv faux-pas. There's a method to my madness.

I don't think Griffith has really received a fair shake, coming from the Boston organization that seemed to embody everything Griffith wasn't.

There was one game last season where the Providence Bruins threw him in between Vatrano and Pastrnak to maintain team continuity as Pastrnak was only down on a conditioning stint, and they immediately exploded for an 8-1 win, Vatrano and Griffith both potting 5 pts each (3G/2A and 1/4GA respectively), while Pastrnak had 1G/2A. And it's not like Griffith was just riding shotgun to NHL firepower, as he was already at 34GP-13G-28A prior to that game. He's a very good skill complement.
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Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
« Reply #186 on: April 28, 2017, 11:02:15 PM »
Piccinich had a pretty disappointing D+2 year.  3 points in 14 playoff games stands out.

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Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
« Reply #187 on: April 28, 2017, 11:52:13 PM »
Marlies eliminated Albany in triple OT tonight.  Facing Syracuse in the next round.
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Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
« Reply #188 on: April 29, 2017, 01:17:41 AM »
Albany is a POS organization.

Last year you may remember them for a hit on Andreas Johnsson.  This year they knock Kapanen out with an elbow to the head.


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Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
« Reply #189 on: April 29, 2017, 11:02:05 AM »
Marlies eliminated Albany in triple OT tonight.  Facing Syracuse in the next round.

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Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
« Reply #190 on: April 29, 2017, 11:50:04 AM »
It would also be a poor discussion-inducer, and an improv faux-pas.

This is why you and I need to start an improv group where we take turns explaining to the audience that the other one is just making up nonsense.
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Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
« Reply #191 on: April 29, 2017, 12:48:02 PM »
Is there a point where you will admit that Griffith may not be a thing?

The Piccinich move (along with Cameranesi, Holl, Froese, Clune, Brennan, etc.) shows Toronto's intention of truly developing their assets. Instead of cutting bait, they're keeping them involved and inside their system, but off the SPC list, until such a time their value is realized (trade or call up).

With Griffith, I'm reminded of what Babcock mentioned about Kadri and JvR being young in their development, and his treatment of Corrado, Holland and Leivo, vs. Smith and Polak. Some players come from other organizations and their foundations (read: fitness, gudpro/60) aren't quite up to the standard Babcock wants/needs on the Leafs.

I think the Leafs are going to slow roll the rookies from here on out (never will we have a cohort such as this), so Griffith's value will come as an injury call-up into the top 9. I think he's worth a much longer look than he has received, even though he is not a slam dunk the way Nylander is. He's as AHL good as Leipsic, so if you're pretty high on Leipsic making hay in the NHL, thar be Griffith too.

Waived by Florida too.  So waived by Boston, Toronto, and Florida in 1 season.

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Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
« Reply #192 on: April 30, 2017, 08:03:47 AM »
It would also be a poor discussion-inducer, and an improv faux-pas.

This is why you and I need to start an improv group where we take turns explaining to the audience that the other one is just making up nonsense.

We need a troupe name. Fans of Futility? Draft, Develop, Disappoint?

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Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
« Reply #193 on: April 30, 2017, 09:23:20 AM »
It would also be a poor discussion-inducer, and an improv faux-pas.

This is why you and I need to start an improv group where we take turns explaining to the audience that the other one is just making up nonsense.
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Re: 2016-17 Marlies Talk: New Season, Continued Expectations
« Reply #194 on: April 30, 2017, 07:54:35 PM »
Waived by Florida too.  So waived by Boston, Toronto, and Florida in 1 season.

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