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So do we think it was a mistake to hang on to Bautista and not start rebuilding without him (and Encarnacion)? Or has it just been bad luck and injuries?Is Gibbons the right man to take things on? Will it be another 20 odd years before the Jays make the post season again?
Quote from: Arn on July 21, 2017, 06:48:14 AMSo do we think it was a mistake to hang on to Bautista and not start rebuilding without him (and Encarnacion)? Or has it just been bad luck and injuries?Is Gibbons the right man to take things on? Will it be another 20 odd years before the Jays make the post season again?The biggest issue moving Bautista is his 10-5 right. But a chance to win could get him to submit a list of teams. Sent from my F3113 using Tapatalk
That being said, he's a low .700 OPS hitter right now with below average fielding and base-running skills. I don't imagine the Jays would get anything of note for him.
You never know. I'm sure there are still a couple GMs out there who think he'll rebound on a better team, and are banking on his ability to be a "big game player," etc. All it really takes is one to really fall in love with the idea of adding Bautista to their lineup, and suddenly, the Jays are pulling in a quality prospect or two for him.
Quote from: Andy on July 21, 2017, 10:55:35 AMThat being said, he's a low .700 OPS hitter right now with below average fielding and base-running skills. I don't imagine the Jays would get anything of note for him.You never know. I'm sure there are still a couple GMs out there who think he'll rebound on a better team, and are banking on his ability to be a "big game player," etc. All it really takes is one to really fall in love with the idea of adding Bautista to their lineup, and suddenly, the Jays are pulling in a quality prospect or two for him.
They're not going to trade guys like Happ/Stroman/Osuna/Sanchez/Donaldson because those guys are a big part of the future of this team.
I'm not sure who Bautista supplants in NY though. Holliday and Frazier are both outperforming him (the latter albeit slightly but still).
Quote from: Andy on July 21, 2017, 04:28:31 PMI'm not sure who Bautista supplants in NY though. Holliday and Frazier are both outperforming him (the latter albeit slightly but still).Not to get into a protracted statistical discussion but OPS isn't a great single number offensive metric(even OPS+). I don't think too many people within the advanced metrics community think a point of SLG is the equivalent of a point of OBP.
My prediction is that the Blue Jays will do nothing at the deadline. All of their UFAs have had horrible seasons. I don't think the fanbase will tolerate trading Bautista, plus I don't think they could get a legit prospect back for him. I think they will largely keep the current team intact and then rebuild over the off season. They're not going to trade guys like Happ/Stroman/Osuna/Sanchez/Donaldson because those guys are a big part of the future of this team. Management is not going to throw the towel on both this season and next season. That would be catastrophic. We're not talking about Leafs fans here. These are Blue Jays fans. Extremely fickle. Rogers Centre will be a ghost town.
What do you use though? Bautista's WAR is based on his OF ability but if you want him to be a 1B in NY then that value plummets.