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« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2011, 12:01:08 AM »
Remember when the players actually took the All Star game seriously?

That's what I mean. "Fixing" the all-star game is as simple as telling people to take it seriously.
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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2011, 11:23:37 AM »
Remember when the players actually took the All Star game seriously?

That's what I mean. "Fixing" the all-star game is as simple as telling people to take it seriously.

Wasn't it Pete Rose who absolutely smoked a catcher at home in an All-Star game? Yeah, I'd say there was a time it was taken seriously. Though I do like the lighter side. - Like when Kruk (I think it was) turned his helmet bachwards when facing Randy Johnson.
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« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2011, 11:25:00 AM »
So with Rivera being dealt for nothing, we are only a Francisco removed from Wells being dealt away for nothing which, when you think about it, is really something of an accomplishment.

The best part is, knowing the Dodgers and considering the fact the Jays sent cash along with Rivera, the Jays could actually end up with a prospect much better than trading Rivera should ever return.

Could the PTBNL or cash considertions become the $175,000 the Dodgers are paying over the remainder of the season or is there a realistic chance there could be an actual return in exchange for opening up a roster spot and a 40 man spot?

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« Reply #18 on: July 13, 2011, 11:28:44 AM »
Wasn't it Pete Rose who absolutely smoked a catcher at home in an All-Star game? Yeah, I'd say there was a time it was taken seriously. Though I do like the lighter side. - Like when Kruk (I think it was turned) his helmet bachwards when facing Randy Johnson.

That was Larry Walker against Johnson, but, yeah, that was at least entertaining. That's been lacking for a while as well.
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« Reply #19 on: July 13, 2011, 11:30:03 AM »
Could the PTBNL or cash considertions become the $175,000 the Dodgers are paying over the remainder of the season or is there a realistic chance there could be an actual return in exchange for opening up a roster spot and a 40 man spot?

It could be, but, you never know. I mean, this is the same team and GM that traded Carlos Santana for Casey Blake.
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« Reply #20 on: July 13, 2011, 11:33:33 AM »
Wasn't it Pete Rose who absolutely smoked a catcher at home in an All-Star game? Yeah, I'd say there was a time it was taken seriously. Though I do like the lighter side. - Like when Kruk (I think it was) turned his helmet bachwards when facing Randy Johnson.

That was Larry Walker against Johnson, but, yeah, that was at least entertaining. That's been lacking for a while as well.

Walker. Yes. Thank you.

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« Reply #21 on: July 13, 2011, 11:43:20 AM »
Wasn't it Pete Rose who absolutely smoked a catcher at home in an All-Star game? Yeah, I'd say there was a time it was taken seriously. Though I do like the lighter side. - Like when Kruk (I think it was turned) his helmet bachwards when facing Randy Johnson.

It was Ray Fosse he hit and actually hurt. I don't know that's the best example of anything other than Pete Rose being a jerk but, yeah, it meant more at the time.

It really is the simplest solution in the world. The problem is it would take some actual competent leadership from Bud Selig. Here's how it would go.

1. Make the point to teams, players and management that the All-Star game is important. Don't suggest it. Don't imply it. Lay it out simply. It's a game you're trying to win. Loafing or not taking it seriously will be seen the same as taking a regular game off.

That shouldn't be hard. The All-Star game is important. It's important financially, it's important promotionally.

2. Reduce the rosters to 24 a squad, split into 10 pitchers and 14 position players.

Again, simple. Being an All-star should be an elite thing. The best of the best. Not one of 70.

3. Mandate how players are used. The starting pitchers go three innings(or, if they run into trouble, they at least have to start the third inning) and starting position players play a minimum of six innings.

Right now the dumbest thing about the All-Star game is that it's often decided in the late innings by the scrubs and Kansas City Royals who have no business being there. None of the athletes care about the NHL or NBA all-star game either but at least in those cases we get to watch Sid Crosby and Lebron James not giving a damn late in the game instead of Joel Hanrahan pitching to Paul Konerko. three position players, at a minimum, would play the whole game.

4. Build the teams like real teams.

5-6 starting pitchers. 4 or 5 relievers. A guy at each position. A spare catcher. A spare outfielder. A spare infielder. A couple of bats off the bench. The starter, as mentioned, goes, three innings. Then each starting pitcher goes an inning or two. Use relievers in the 8th or 9th. Plan on not using some guys in case it goes to extras.

That's it. Tell them to care about it. Tell them to treat it like a real game. Make sure they know that playing in the All-Star game means, horrors of horrors, they have to play another baseball game.
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« Reply #22 on: July 13, 2011, 11:52:11 AM »
Sounds good to me.

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« Reply #23 on: July 13, 2011, 01:09:06 PM »
I think another consideration is that the players don't want to needlessly injure themselves in mid-season.  And I doubt the fans want them to either.  How would we feel if Bautista had banged up his knee making that difficult catch and missed 2-3 months?

Perhaps it would help having the All-Star Game at season's end.  The players wouldn't need to save any energy for later, they would worry less about minor injuries with the whole offseason ahead, and we'd also have the players who had the best full seasons competing.

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« Reply #24 on: July 13, 2011, 01:15:51 PM »
I think another consideration is that the players don't want to needlessly injure themselves in mid-season.  And I doubt the fans want them to either.  How would we feel if Bautista had banged up his knee making that difficult catch and missed 2-3 months?

Unlucky. But I'd feel just as unlucky if he hurt it in batting practice or off the field. Either way, if Bud Selig made it clear to the players that it was part of their job then it'd be as legitimate as hurting it in a Jays game. I'd like to think that the Blue Jays will be in contention to play in the world series some day and I'd want guys going all out to win that home field advantage.

Perhaps it would help having the All-Star Game at season's end.  The players wouldn't need to save any energy for later, they would worry less about minor injuries with the whole offseason ahead, and we'd also have the players who had the best full seasons competing.

If there's one thing the NFL has taught us it's that having an all-star game after the season is a sure way to ensure that nobody cares about it, especially the players.
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Re: Temporary Blue Jays/MLB Thread
« Reply #25 on: July 14, 2011, 12:34:05 AM »
Anyone know off hand what the pitching match-up is this Saturday?

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Re: Temporary Blue Jays/MLB Thread
« Reply #26 on: July 14, 2011, 08:50:53 AM »
Wasn't it Pete Rose who absolutely smoked a catcher at home in an All-Star game? Yeah, I'd say there was a time it was taken seriously. Though I do like the lighter side. - Like when Kruk (I think it was turned) his helmet bachwards when facing Randy Johnson.

That was Larry Walker against Johnson, but, yeah, that was at least entertaining. That's been lacking for a while as well.

I also remember Johnson throwing over the head of Kruk on his first pitch, then following up with three perfect strikes where Kruk was still jumping out of the box.

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Re: Temporary Blue Jays/MLB Thread
« Reply #27 on: July 14, 2011, 09:04:46 AM »
Anyone know off hand what the pitching match-up is this Saturday?
 

http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/news/probable_pitchers/index.jsp?c_id=tor

CC Sabathia (Yankees) against Ricky Romero (Blue Jays).
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« Reply #28 on: July 14, 2011, 09:18:12 AM »
Anyone know off hand what the pitching match-up is this Saturday?
 

http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/news/probable_pitchers/index.jsp?c_id=tor

CC Sabathia (Yankees) against Ricky Romero (Blue Jays).

Nice.  It'll be my first game this year and my kid's first ever! I'm pretty pumped (as are my kids.)

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« Reply #29 on: July 14, 2011, 09:24:00 AM »
Anyone know off hand what the pitching match-up is this Saturday?
 

http://toronto.bluejays.mlb.com/news/probable_pitchers/index.jsp?c_id=tor

CC Sabathia (Yankees) against Ricky Romero (Blue Jays).

Nice.  It'll be my first game this year and my kid's first ever! I'm pretty pumped (as are my kids.)


Have a bright sunny weekend (and enjoy the game)!   :)