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Re: The Donald
« Reply #45 on: May 05, 2016, 08:29:19 PM »
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Re: The Donald
« Reply #46 on: May 05, 2016, 09:34:23 PM »

I'm genuinely surprised that he's not wearing a sombrero.

Funny thing was someone called up Trump Tower Grill and found how they don't have taco bowls. It was the Trump Cafe.

Also:
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Re: The Donald
« Reply #47 on: May 26, 2016, 02:44:31 PM »
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Re: The Donald
« Reply #48 on: May 26, 2016, 02:51:48 PM »

That does ring a little false though. While I have no doubt that Trump's particular bluster is shocking and the prevalence of America's position in the world makes the idea of Trump actually being elected an especially concerning thing Right-Wing nationalism is on the rise in all sorts of places in Europe. World leaders can't be that surprised that the US has their own version of Marie LePen or Nigel Farage.
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Re: The Donald
« Reply #49 on: May 27, 2016, 10:52:02 AM »
Saw this floating around as a comment on Obama's remarks:



Obama saying that world leaders are rattled by Trump are just going to make more idiots want to vote for him.

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Re: The Donald
« Reply #50 on: May 27, 2016, 12:41:55 PM »
Saw this floating around as a comment on Obama's remarks:



Obama saying that world leaders are rattled by Trump are just going to make more idiots want to vote for him.

Like so:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1Mrfu4yE-w[/youtube]

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Re: The Donald
« Reply #51 on: May 27, 2016, 12:58:11 PM »
I would vote for Warren over Trump or Clinton.

I'm actually worried that Hillary will be such an unappealing candidate Trump might win this.

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Re: The Donald
« Reply #52 on: May 27, 2016, 01:00:48 PM »
Saw this floating around as a comment on Obama's remarks:



Obama saying that world leaders are rattled by Trump are just going to make more idiots want to vote for him.

Sad but true. As much as I hate advocating stooping to his level, the only criticisms that seem to phase him are those of a personal nature. He focuses on them, and that's how you derail him. Meanwhile, he completely brushes off any criticisms of his "policies" or anything about his impact internationally, his lack of qualifications, etc.
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Re: The Donald
« Reply #53 on: May 27, 2016, 01:07:07 PM »
I'm actually worried that Hillary will be such an unappealing candidate Trump might win this.

I honestly don't know. I'm concerned about that, but, at the same time, I also see a very real possibility that Trump has alienated a significant enough portion of Republican voters to even things out. I also think the mere possibility that Trump could win might mobilize enough people to vote for Clinton solely to keep him out of office. And, while I don't think Hillary will be a particularly inspiring president, I don't think she'll be a particularly detrimental one, either. In fact, other than being the first female president, I expect she'll fit nicely into this group:

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Re: The Donald
« Reply #54 on: May 27, 2016, 01:47:19 PM »

I think you guys are maybe confusing the reaction of his supporters, or the people who will go to his rallies, with the actual electorate. If he's on a debate stage getting grilled on actual policy and the crowd isn't made up of people who'll cheer anything he says he's going to be exposed.

BTW, If anyone's interested in some really smart, level-headed analysis of the election I can't recommend the Keepin' It 1600 Podcast enough.
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Re: The Donald
« Reply #55 on: May 27, 2016, 07:07:37 PM »
If you ever played Dungeons and Dragons, you'll probably enjoy the "Dungeons and Donalds" Twitter account:

https://twitter.com/dungeonsdonald

It's pretty much Donald Trump the D&D enthusiast.
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« Reply #56 on: June 04, 2016, 10:22:15 PM »
I'm actually worried that Hillary will be such an unappealing candidate Trump might win this.

I honestly don't know. I'm concerned about that, but, at the same time, I also see a very real possibility that Trump has alienated a significant enough portion of Republican voters to even things out. I also think the mere possibility that Trump could win might mobilize enough people to vote for Clinton solely to keep him out of office. And, while I don't think Hillary will be a particularly inspiring president, I don't think she'll be a particularly detrimental one, either. In fact, other than being the first female president, I expect she'll fit nicely into this group:

Republicans seem to be falling into line. Might be a feature of that party, or maybe it's because the Democrats nominated the one name in national party that unites the opposing party into a ball of fury. 

I'm most concerned that the race will play out as a repeat of Martha Coakley vs. Scott Brown in 2010. For non-Americans: a special Senate election wherein a competent but uncharismatic and message-less neoliberal technocrat lost to a faux populist bully who offered nothing tangible to the electorate but, by speaking to (stoking) their cultural resentment of elites, managed to win Ted freaking Kennedy's seat! It Can't Happen Here, we all thought. And then it did.

Brown wasn't nearly the buffoon that Trump is, but he also didn't hit the right-wing nationalist notes as effectively.

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« Reply #57 on: June 04, 2016, 10:45:52 PM »
Republicans seem to be falling into line. Might be a feature of that party, or maybe it's because the Democrats nominated the one name in national party that unites the opposing party into a ball of fury. 

I'm most concerned that the race will play out as a repeat of Martha Coakley vs. Scott Brown in 2010. For non-Americans: a special Senate election wherein a competent but uncharismatic and message-less neoliberal technocrat lost to a faux populist bully who offered nothing tangible to the electorate but, by speaking to (stoking) their cultural resentment of elites, managed to win Ted freaking Kennedy's seat! It Can't Happen Here, we all thought. And then it did.

Brown wasn't nearly the buffoon that Trump is, but he also didn't hit the right-wing nationalist notes as effectively.

I think the problem with that on a national level is that the demographics are just so bad for Republicans that a nation-wide appeal to populism can't be based on the sort of old divides that Trump is looking to exploit.

To win a national election Republicans almost certainly have to win Florida, a state that is now 37% black or hispanic. They also probably have to flip Virginia which is also only about 60% white. Even then they'd have to flip two of Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan.

If Trump were just an economic populist that'd be one thing and it would have some sway in a relatively ethnically homogeneous state like Mass. but to also be as unappealing to Black and Hispanic voters as he is?

Real Clear Politics just put up a new Florida poll that has Clinton up on Trump by 3 and Libertarian Gary Johnson polling at 6%. I wouldn't say this with 100% certainty but I would not be surprised if we never saw another poll with Trump ahead in a crucial state.
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Re: The Donald
« Reply #58 on: June 04, 2016, 11:48:21 PM »
Republicans seem to be falling into line. Might be a feature of that party, or maybe it's because the Democrats nominated the one name in national party that unites the opposing party into a ball of fury. 

I'm most concerned that the race will play out as a repeat of Martha Coakley vs. Scott Brown in 2010. For non-Americans: a special Senate election wherein a competent but uncharismatic and message-less neoliberal technocrat lost to a faux populist bully who offered nothing tangible to the electorate but, by speaking to (stoking) their cultural resentment of elites, managed to win Ted freaking Kennedy's seat! It Can't Happen Here, we all thought. And then it did.

Brown wasn't nearly the buffoon that Trump is, but he also didn't hit the right-wing nationalist notes as effectively.

I think the problem with that on a national level is that the demographics are just so bad for Republicans that a nation-wide appeal to populism can't be based on the sort of old divides that Trump is looking to exploit.

To win a national election Republicans almost certainly have to win Florida, a state that is now 37% black or hispanic. They also probably have to flip Virginia which is also only about 60% white. Even then they'd have to flip two of Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan.

If Trump were just an economic populist that'd be one thing and it would have some sway in a relatively ethnically homogeneous state like Mass. but to also be as unappealing to Black and Hispanic voters as he is?

Real Clear Politics just put up a new Florida poll that has Clinton up on Trump by 3 and Libertarian Gary Johnson polling at 6%. I wouldn't say this with 100% certainty but I would not be surprised if we never saw another poll with Trump ahead in a crucial state.

Yeah, that's certainly the hope. That Trump has gone on down the list of ethnic groups in the country and insulted them in turn should make him DOA once he gets out of the swamp that is the Republican primary electorate. His is a sort of right-wing nationalism that is pretty frank about its race-baiting, and that's a whole lot to walk back, talented a huckster as Trump is.

If this could be settled with a quick structural analysis of the demographics of the electorate, I'd guess the Republicans won't elect a president for the next generation, though they'll continue to dominate in state elections, giving them plenty of control in Congress.

But, after watching the party's complete bumbling when they don't have a natural politician to run with, I've so little faith in Democrats, and am so disturbed by their complacency in the face of the basic social fact of the day (globalization and its consequences, roughly) which is the oxygen for these right-wing populist movements, that I can see them screwing this thing up.
 

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Re: The Donald
« Reply #59 on: June 07, 2016, 10:27:41 PM »
 
Well, it's more or less official. The 2016 election is Hillary Clinton vs. a two month old Halloween pumpkin stuffed with strip club dollar bills.
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