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Re: Ranking Prospects
« Reply #195 on: June 28, 2016, 01:51:49 PM »
There's not much of a discussion to be had there. There are people who prefer chunky peanut butter and people who are wrong.

Finally, Nik says something that we can ALL agree on.

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Re: Ranking Prospects
« Reply #196 on: June 28, 2016, 01:59:16 PM »
Please let the season start.

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« Reply #197 on: June 28, 2016, 02:50:07 PM »
What's the difference between jam and jelly?

When making Jelly you strain the fruit so that you're making it with, more or less, juice. Jam is just made with crushed fruit.

Not the answer I had in mind, but you probably saved me from a banning anyway.

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« Reply #198 on: June 28, 2016, 02:52:47 PM »
Marmalade.

They have internet in deepest darkest Peru?

Amazing.

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« Reply #199 on: June 28, 2016, 02:58:22 PM »
What's the difference between jam and jelly?

When making Jelly you strain the fruit so that you're making it with, more or less, juice. Jam is just made with crushed fruit.

Not the answer I had in mind, but you probably saved me from a banning anyway.

Yours had something to do with an old joke about peanut butter, I would imagine.
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« Reply #200 on: June 28, 2016, 03:00:38 PM »
Not the answer I had in mind, but you probably saved me from a banning anyway.

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« Reply #201 on: June 28, 2016, 03:05:01 PM »
Not the answer I had in mind, but you probably saved me from a banning anyway.

Working blue is the lazy man's comedy.

You know me so well.

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« Reply #202 on: June 28, 2016, 03:08:52 PM »
Not the answer I had in mind, but you probably saved me from a banning anyway.

Working blue is the lazy man's comedy.

You know me so well.

Now to rank comedy styles.

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« Reply #203 on: June 28, 2016, 03:13:47 PM »
Seems to me like the last 2 pages of this thread belong in the Useless thread.

So, based on this...

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2016/6/27/12048420/keaton-middleton-comparable-colton-parayko

Middleton in anyone's Top 10 under 25? :P

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« Reply #204 on: June 28, 2016, 03:30:23 PM »
Seems to me like the last 2 pages of this thread belong in the Useless thread.

So, based on this...

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2016/6/27/12048420/keaton-middleton-comparable-colton-parayko

Middleton in anyone's Top 10 under 25? :P

Middleton's problems are decision making and moving. Both are fixable, but I'm not holding my breath for anything exciting out of him for the next 4 years. He's like growing our own meaner Marincin.

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« Reply #205 on: June 28, 2016, 03:39:59 PM »
Seems to me like the last 2 pages of this thread belong in the Useless thread.

So, based on this...

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2016/6/27/12048420/keaton-middleton-comparable-colton-parayko

Middleton in anyone's Top 10 under 25? :P

Middleton's problems are decision making and moving. Both are fixable, but I'm not holding my breath for anything exciting out of him for the next 4 years. He's like growing our own meaner Marincin.

I think you're being very kind.

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« Reply #206 on: June 28, 2016, 03:40:45 PM »
Middleton's problems are decision making and moving. Both are fixable, but I'm not holding my breath for anything exciting out of him for the next 4 years. He's like growing our own meaner Marincin.

Funny, it seems his scouting reports are all over the place. 

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While Middleton isnít routinely ranked as a top prospect for the 2016 NHL draft, thereís no shortage of appealing assets to the hulking defensemenís game. For instance Middleton boasts impressive mobility for a player of his stature, along with a lengthy and powerful stride that allows him to generate deceptively good speed and cover a large amount of ice in a small amount of time. While his puck skills arenít elite, Middleton shows deceptively good vision and an ability to make a strong an accurate first pass. A player who shows poise and patience in possession, Middleton makes strong decisions in possession, rarely forcing plays as he keeps his game simple and takes whats given to him.

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2016/6/27/12033998/why-did-the-leafs-draft-keaton-middleton

(BTW, I'm not sticking up for this selection.  Korshkov and this pick were my least favourite, but I didn't hate the rest of the draft like some others)

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Re: Ranking Prospects
« Reply #207 on: June 28, 2016, 03:52:09 PM »
I think you're being very kind.

Thank you; I try.

Middleton's problems are decision making and moving. Both are fixable, but I'm not holding my breath for anything exciting out of him for the next 4 years. He's like growing our own meaner Marincin.

Funny, it seems his scouting reports are all over the place. 

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While Middleton isnít routinely ranked as a top prospect for the 2016 NHL draft, thereís no shortage of appealing assets to the hulking defensemenís game. For instance Middleton boasts impressive mobility for a player of his stature, along with a lengthy and powerful stride that allows him to generate deceptively good speed and cover a large amount of ice in a small amount of time. While his puck skills arenít elite, Middleton shows deceptively good vision and an ability to make a strong an accurate first pass. A player who shows poise and patience in possession, Middleton makes strong decisions in possession, rarely forcing plays as he keeps his game simple and takes whats given to him.

http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2016/6/27/12033998/why-did-the-leafs-draft-keaton-middleton

(BTW, I'm not sticking up for this selection.  Korshkov and this pick were my least favourite, but I didn't hate the rest of the draft like some others)

Yup, this one no one knows what to do with.

In that same article:
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Middleton has huge size and a massive frame, which can make him tough to get around. He has a pretty good stick and loves the physical stuff in his own zone. His balance and skating need improvement, but they have come miles since his Minor Midget season. Keaton's puck play has also come along over the past couple years, he is often able to make the smart simple pass up ice. He still makes a fair amount of puck mistakes and can get stripped, but he has shown consistent improvement in this area. He is a relentless competitor along the wall and wins a ton of battles through his size, strength and a relative comfort in these types of situations. Middleton played top minutes 5 on 5 and on the penalty kill, and secondary minutes on the power play. He's relentless in the slot area, making life difficult for forwards and has the reach to take away passes shorthanded. He's not an over the top fighter, but he has good toughness and isn't afraid to drop the gloves when necessary.

And then from the original article you posted, one of the commentors dug up:
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From Brock Otten /OHL Prospects (#35 of top 50 OHL draftees)

35. Keaton Middleton Ė Defence Ė Saginaw Spirit
Hulking defender (6í6, 235lbs) who is still scratching the surface of his potential. Even if he didnít have the greatest of seasons, Iím still a fan. Look at it this way. If both players reach their high end potential, is there really much separating Middleton and Logan Stanley? Stanley is without a doubt progressing quicker and demonstrating more now, but is that a guarantee 5 years from now? Youíll have to use a 1st or 2nd on Stanley, but you could have Middleton in the mid rounds. Keaton, the brother of 67ís defender Jacob (and one of the best defensive defenders in the OHL), has so much potential as a stay at home blueliner. Heís got a great stick and he does a great job of using his long reach to disrupt passing lanes. Middleton is also an incredibly physical player who loves to engage forwards cutting across the blueline or in front of the net. The key to his development moving forward is his lateral and backwards mobility, and his puck distribution ability. These two areas of his game remain works in progress and they are why he struggled at times this year. But, itís not impossible to improve (look at Stanley this year versus his rookie year).

To me, there is nothing compelling here at all. It does illustrate how a handful of views can't paint a full proper picture. I can only assume that Hunter and Co. saw enough here to spend a pick, or Dubas' team is banking on a data nugget.

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Re: Ranking Prospects
« Reply #208 on: June 28, 2016, 04:19:55 PM »
I mean, it goes without saying that Hunter and Co. saw enough to spend a pick because they did spend a pick.

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Re: Ranking Prospects
« Reply #209 on: June 28, 2016, 07:29:29 PM »
http://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2015/7/20/9006441/blue-jackets-draft-video-shows-leafs-offered-pick-no-4-for-picks-no-8

I don't know if this is the spot for this, but I must of spaced on this if it was mentioned earlier. So it would appear Marner was never the Leafs preference?

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Re: Ranking Prospects
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