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Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2015, 05:13:20 PM »
I don't think Reimer is the real deal as a top 10 NHL goalie. But he's one down to earth personality I don't mind keeping around. (who knows for sure if you're not in the locker room but that's my impression from his interviews).

Definitely not, but that's a pretty high standard. I think he can be a competent starter for a non-playoff team, and really that's all we need for the next couple of seasons.

Neither is Bernier.

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« Reply #31 on: March 01, 2015, 07:50:16 PM »
I think the Leaf players have gotten away with too much for too long.  Defence can be sacrificing.  You sometimes have to make a safe, smart play over a risky play.  To ask for such out of Kessel seems to have killed him. 
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Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
« Reply #32 on: March 01, 2015, 07:59:59 PM »
Be nice to get a second at least for Polak or team him with Bozak for a first

Maybe I've been watching too long. Or maybe I'm just having a rough year. I'd look at dumping the entire roster of these losers. First time ever, I can't recall finding one guy I'd really like to keep (like many have said, maybe Morgan Rielly - but I wouldn't lose any sleep if he went too).

I'd take what I could get with picks/prospects and might tell the rest, they're on waivers and will never wear the jersey again and they can take their GM and coaches with them.

This group and organization are an embarrassment. They need to absolutely napalm it (figuratively) to expunge the chronic disease.
Wow, that's rough CW, I've never read a post that I felt was more angry by you to a point where you wouldn't keep one person on the roster.

Unless you can get a cornerstone piece of the franchise there's no way you trade Rielly, especially if we can get a potential 1C in Strome or Marner.
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Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
« Reply #33 on: March 01, 2015, 08:11:28 PM »
If it's the right deal, no player is untouchable, Rielly you need treasure for followed narrowly by JVR and Kessel.
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Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
« Reply #34 on: March 01, 2015, 08:21:14 PM »
Be nice to get a second at least for Polak or team him with Bozak for a first

Maybe I've been watching too long. Or maybe I'm just having a rough year. I'd look at dumping the entire roster of these losers. First time ever, I can't recall finding one guy I'd really like to keep (like many have said, maybe Morgan Rielly - but I wouldn't lose any sleep if he went too).

I'd take what I could get with picks/prospects and might tell the rest, they're on waivers and will never wear the jersey again and they can take their GM and coaches with them.

This group and organization are an embarrassment. They need to absolutely napalm it (figuratively) to expunge the chronic disease.
Wow, that's rough CW, I've never read a post that I felt was more angry by you to a point where you wouldn't keep one person on the roster.

Unless you can get a cornerstone piece of the franchise there's no way you trade Rielly, especially if we can get a potential 1C in Strome or Marner.

I mean if someone can look at Morgan Rielly and can't instantly say he's a player they'd "really like to keep," I don't know what to say.  He's not even 2 seasons into a career after being very highly touted.

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« Reply #35 on: March 01, 2015, 08:45:18 PM »
Be nice to get a second at least for Polak or team him with Bozak for a first

Maybe I've been watching too long. Or maybe I'm just having a rough year. I'd look at dumping the entire roster of these losers. First time ever, I can't recall finding one guy I'd really like to keep (like many have said, maybe Morgan Rielly - but I wouldn't lose any sleep if he went too).

I'd take what I could get with picks/prospects and might tell the rest, they're on waivers and will never wear the jersey again and they can take their GM and coaches with them.

This group and organization are an embarrassment. They need to absolutely napalm it (figuratively) to expunge the chronic disease.

Jeez. I always lurked to benefit from cw's carefully balanced opinions, long-view reasonableness, and moderating influence. So, this seems... different.

I've got little emotional attachment to these players. Last one I really liked was probably Franson, because he came over on a smart trade, had knocks on his game but made good and even exceeded expectations, seemed to have the right attitude... I probably still have a soft spot for Kessel, because when he's on, that shot brings great joy. But otherwise, nah. So, 'dump the bunch of losers' certainly has some appeal.

While there's no one I wouldn't mind trading if it brought one of the things they'll most need to contend -- an elite 1C, a stud 1D, or a high-scoring winger, who'll be in his prime in 3-5 years -- I don't know if there's any package of Richard Panik, Nazem Kadri, Jake Gardiner or any of the guys under 26s that'll bring that sort of return (well, maybe Rielly + JvR?). And since those guys will be in their primes in 3-5 years, I don't know that there's much profit in dumping them. The Leafs will, eventually, need a competitive second line and top four, and some of the under 26s they're now thinking of as the core look like they'll turn into that, at least.

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« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2015, 09:01:58 PM »
i feel cw's thinking. i survived the 80s and it may be because im getting crusty in my midlife but i dont feel or see any form of anguish from any of this current group. 80's players were bad talent wise but they give a crap. i almost kicked my tv in last night. please gimme some darcy tucker lose yer crap emotion ....
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Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
« Reply #37 on: March 01, 2015, 09:08:23 PM »
Be nice to get a second at least for Polak or team him with Bozak for a first

Maybe I've been watching too long. Or maybe I'm just having a rough year. I'd look at dumping the entire roster of these losers. First time ever, I can't recall finding one guy I'd really like to keep (like many have said, maybe Morgan Rielly - but I wouldn't lose any sleep if he went too).

I'd take what I could get with picks/prospects and might tell the rest, they're on waivers and will never wear the jersey again and they can take their GM and coaches with them.

This group and organization are an embarrassment. They need to absolutely napalm it (figuratively) to expunge the chronic disease.

I think Rielly absolutely has to stay. I agree with the rest.

Too bad we have to wait for the off season for the big moves to take place. This draft really looks like a juicy one. Burning it ALL down right now, and sinking this ship as far down to bottom as possible could net this team a real nice haul and help start the rebuild with some nice pieces.

Agreed, Red Leaf.

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Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2015, 09:27:16 PM »
Unlike some who are just so disgusted (so am I) they want to see the whole roster traded, I don't think that is actually necessary.
I think a culture change can occur by rooting out the main core issues, bringing in or developing some real leaders (i.e. Morgan Rielly) and have a few key players regroup or continue development. Here is my assessment for whatever it's worth:

1. Phaneuf. Number 1 problem. Too slow, often seems lost defensively for a guy who is a captain. Didn't stand up and be counted when needed (i.e. Eric Staal slapshot). Doesn't provide confidence to a team needing some.
2. Kessel. I had always been a Phil supporter through Seguin trade years and all the dissing of him over the trade. I thought he hung in there scored his goals and was exciting to watch. But this year's really bother me. He mailed in for much of the year. His compete in the corners was even lower than usual. To hear he doesn't look after himself fitness wise and is one of the first of the ice in practice is not what you needed. There was an article that suggested this has even rubbed off on Bozak (maybe you could say the same for JVR). I think he and Phaneuf need to be moved most importantly to change the culture.
3. Bozak. Depending on what they get back, I'd trade him. But if the deal wasn't right, I'd give him a chance to prove himself again with Kessel gone as a third line center only. He's not a number one and Kadri likely is number 2 for a while.
4. JVR. I think he can rebound, with some of the rest of the core cleaned out.
5. Lupul. Again, would depend on the return in a trade, but I wouldn't be opposed to Lupul coming back if he could stay healthy. Probably the best of veteran leadership they have on the existing roster when he's healthy, along with Polak.
6. Speaking of Polak, not opposed to having him back either, or Holtzer for that matter.

It's really about what can you get in a trade? If it betters you club's prospects sure, but no sense trading just for the sake of it.

I think the Leafs need to wait longer on Rielly for sure, and also Gardiner and Kadri. I see some progress in both the latter two's game as well, just not as much as we'd like. But with a more dedicated roster, not necessarily a better one, but one that tries harder, they could continue to improve as well.


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Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
« Reply #39 on: March 01, 2015, 09:39:28 PM »
Be nice to get a second at least for Polak or team him with Bozak for a first

Maybe I've been watching too long. Or maybe I'm just having a rough year. I'd look at dumping the entire roster of these losers. First time ever, I can't recall finding one guy I'd really like to keep (like many have said, maybe Morgan Rielly - but I wouldn't lose any sleep if he went too).

I'd take what I could get with picks/prospects and might tell the rest, they're on waivers and will never wear the jersey again and they can take their GM and coaches with them.

This group and organization are an embarrassment. They need to absolutely napalm it (figuratively) to expunge the chronic disease.
Wow, that's rough CW, I've never read a post that I felt was more angry by you to a point where you wouldn't keep one person on the roster.

Unless you can get a cornerstone piece of the franchise there's no way you trade Rielly, especially if we can get a potential 1C in Strome or Marner.

I mean if someone can look at Morgan Rielly and can't instantly say he's a player they'd "really like to keep," I don't know what to say.  He's not even 2 seasons into a career after being very highly touted.

I agree on that point.  Anybody else on the roster traded and, so long as it's for what I consider to be fair value, I don't mind.  With everybody except Rielly, I think I have a good handle on their present strengths and weaknesses and what their ceiling is, if they haven't already reached it.  But Rielly, I can't say what his ceiling is (though I feel it's pretty high), and so I can't pin fair trade value on him.  Maybe he's the next Niedermayer (for lack of a better description), maybe not.  But getting rid of every single player on the roster because of the team performance feels too much like "kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out".  I may not have an emotional attachment per se to Rielly, but I feel it is too likely that if they trade him, what they get back in the end won't match up to what they gave up.
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Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
« Reply #40 on: March 01, 2015, 09:42:21 PM »
What happened to Holzer? I missed the early part of the game and all I heard the announcers say was he left with an "upper body injury". Did it look season-ending?

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Re: Leafs claim Tim Erixon off waivers
« Reply #41 on: March 01, 2015, 10:28:15 PM »
Be nice to get a second at least for Polak or team him with Bozak for a first

Maybe I've been watching too long. Or maybe I'm just having a rough year. I'd look at dumping the entire roster of these losers. First time ever, I can't recall finding one guy I'd really like to keep (like many have said, maybe Morgan Rielly - but I wouldn't lose any sleep if he went too).

I'd take what I could get with picks/prospects and might tell the rest, they're on waivers and will never wear the jersey again and they can take their GM and coaches with them.

This group and organization are an embarrassment. They need to absolutely napalm it (figuratively) to expunge the chronic disease.
Wow, that's rough CW, I've never read a post that I felt was more angry by you to a point where you wouldn't keep one person on the roster.

Unless you can get a cornerstone piece of the franchise there's no way you trade Rielly, especially if we can get a potential 1C in Strome or Marner.

I mean if someone can look at Morgan Rielly and can't instantly say he's a player they'd "really like to keep," I don't know what to say.  He's not even 2 seasons into a career after being very highly touted.

I agree on that point.  Anybody else on the roster traded and, so long as it's for what I consider to be fair value, I don't mind.  With everybody except Rielly, I think I have a good handle on their present strengths and weaknesses and what their ceiling is, if they haven't already reached it.  But Rielly, I can't say what his ceiling is (though I feel it's pretty high), and so I can't pin fair trade value on him.  Maybe he's the next Niedermayer (for lack of a better description), maybe not.  But getting rid of every single player on the roster because of the team performance feels too much like "kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out".  I may not have an emotional attachment per se to Rielly, but I feel it is too likely that if they trade him, what they get back in the end won't match up to what they gave up.

Rielly is obviously their top young talent. I wouldn't waive him or give him away or do something foolish.

The notable thing for me is if they traded him or anyone else from this roster, I wouldn't care.

Sundin, Clark, Gilmour and I could go on and on with a fairly long list, I liked those guys as a fan. Cared a bit. When their time came to go, I was a bit saddened.

But this current group? I don't care about any of them. I have absolutely no fan attachment to any of them and a pretty severe lack of respect. I guess I'm just numb from their years of awful play.

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« Reply #42 on: March 01, 2015, 11:03:31 PM »
I totally get where you are coming from cw. There is a definite lack of likeability with the current Leafs roster. I used to have favourite Leafs players until about 5 years ago. I don't think its a coincidence that is when the current group began to be assembled. I just couldn't care less about this group of players!

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« Reply #43 on: March 01, 2015, 11:11:34 PM »
Be nice to get a second at least for Polak or team him with Bozak for a first

Maybe I've been watching too long. Or maybe I'm just having a rough year. I'd look at dumping the entire roster of these losers. First time ever, I can't recall finding one guy I'd really like to keep (like many have said, maybe Morgan Rielly - but I wouldn't lose any sleep if he went too).

I'd take what I could get with picks/prospects and might tell the rest, they're on waivers and will never wear the jersey again and they can take their GM and coaches with them.

This group and organization are an embarrassment. They need to absolutely napalm it (figuratively) to expunge the chronic disease.
Wow, that's rough CW, I've never read a post that I felt was more angry by you to a point where you wouldn't keep one person on the roster.

Unless you can get a cornerstone piece of the franchise there's no way you trade Rielly, especially if we can get a potential 1C in Strome or Marner.

I mean if someone can look at Morgan Rielly and can't instantly say he's a player they'd "really like to keep," I don't know what to say.  He's not even 2 seasons into a career after being very highly touted.

I agree on that point.  Anybody else on the roster traded and, so long as it's for what I consider to be fair value, I don't mind.  With everybody except Rielly, I think I have a good handle on their present strengths and weaknesses and what their ceiling is, if they haven't already reached it.  But Rielly, I can't say what his ceiling is (though I feel it's pretty high), and so I can't pin fair trade value on him.  Maybe he's the next Niedermayer (for lack of a better description), maybe not.  But getting rid of every single player on the roster because of the team performance feels too much like "kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out".  I may not have an emotional attachment per se to Rielly, but I feel it is too likely that if they trade him, what they get back in the end won't match up to what they gave up.

Rielly is obviously their top young talent. I wouldn't waive him or give him away or do something foolish.

The notable thing for me is if they traded him or anyone else from this roster, I wouldn't care.

Sundin, Clark, Gilmour and I could go on and on with a fairly long list, I liked those guys as a fan. Cared a bit. When their time came to go, I was a bit saddened.

But this current group? I don't care about any of them. I have absolutely no fan attachment to any of them and a pretty severe lack of respect. I guess I'm just numb from their years of awful play.

Same here cw.  I was actually at this same point you were about this time last year.  When they would allow a third collapse to happen after what happened in game 7, I was done with this core group.   It's not that they lost - I don't mind the losing, but it's the way that they lost, and continued to lose, that mattered to me. I agree, there is nothing endearing about any of the core.  Kessel can not be the best forward on this team and Phaneuf can't be the best defence man on this team.  They've proven they can't be it as a tandem.  Something has to change with this core.  Either Kessel needs to be slotted down or phaneuf does or both need to be slotted down.

I can be convinced of a Kessel for Norris type d-man in return to slot Phaneuf down one or something to that effect.   

In terms of who I would keep....yes Reilly is part of the future.  I don't know what Kadri is....is he a number 1 or a number 2.  I can wait to find out.  I've been waiting for a year and a half for either Bernier or Reimer to take the reigns of the net, but neither has.  Reimer has had ample opportunity, as has Bernier.  Gardiner is great offensively, but defensively is suspect - Am willing to wait unless a solid offer comes in.

Not too attached to anyone else.
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« Reply #44 on: March 01, 2015, 11:15:22 PM »
Yeah, not attached to any of this group. It would be nice to see Rielly develop over the years and become a key part of the resurgence. Kadri seems to want to be here and is working at his game, but I don't really see #1 center potential in him. Maybe he can get there with time. Many seem to think JVR should be part of the rebuild but I don't like what I've seen of his game during the past couple of months.

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