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Re: Burke using depth to go shopping....
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2011, 11:17:29 AM »
Would a Komisarek for a Rick DiPietro trade make sense?  (If Islanders are on the list of teams Mike would accept a trade to.)  Cap-wise, they're both $4.5 million.  Komi's salary is less.  DiPietro's contract is longer.  If the Leafs lost Komi, they could fill any needs easily.  If Gus is shaky, the Leafs don't have anywhere to turn.  Of course one would expect the Islanders to compensate for the contract differences.  (A 1st rounder would do nicely.  LOL)

Every which way I look at this, I have to say no.  Like someone else said, we don't need a $4.5mil backup that has a contract that still has 10yrs on it.  You think that Tucker's buyout was bad at $1mil still counting on the books, $4.5mil handicapping us for 10yrs is not the way to go.  And you don't want to send him down to the AHL because you want those spots to develop Rynnas, Scrivens, and eventually Owuya.  So, any which way you look at it, it doesn't make sense.  Especially for only a 1st rounder.  Now, if they packaged Tavares in there, I'd have to seriously seriously think about it, but it wouldn't make sense for the Islanders to do that.

Well that would make Tavares a $9-$10 mil a year player then right (including Di P's $4.5 mil)? Nope. Not even for Tavares. When this first was suggested I thought it was an attempt to start a war.. ;D

On the actual thread front with Komi going nowhere, I would imagine that no team at this stage is going to make a move until the first month or so.
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Re: Burke using depth to go shopping....
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2011, 11:27:13 AM »
I wouldn't be in any rush to move either Bozak or Gunnarsson.  Let's see how Bozak does this year; I think he has the potential to be a good 3C and to fill in on the first 2 lines as needed.  Gunnarsson is a solid young dman -- I've likened him to a blossoming Hjalmersson, a guy who is not going to garner headlines but who doesn't litter the ice surface with the remains of bonehead plays.  How many really bad games has Gunnar had?  Not many, and none that stick in my memory.

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Re: Burke using depth to go shopping....
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Re: Burke using depth to go shopping....
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2011, 12:50:25 PM »
I wouldn't be in any rush to move either Bozak or Gunnarsson.  Let's see how Bozak does this year; I think he has the potential to be a good 3C and to fill in on the first 2 lines as needed.  Gunnarsson is a solid young dman -- I've likened him to a blossoming Hjalmersson, a guy who is not going to garner headlines but who doesn't litter the ice surface with the remains of bonehead plays.  How many really bad games has Gunnar had?  Not many, and none that stick in my memory.

I think at this stage if they are going to move a guy, you want to move one out of a strong position and at higher value, so that would be why Gunarsson keeps coming up.  Aulie would be the only other guy who probably has really good value who they would consider moving right now, so if you are going to move a young d-man due to numbers and strike while the value is high, its one of those two for sure.

edit: not saying I think its a great idea to move either Gunarsson or Aulie, but at some point it would be good to see two or three "good" players turned into one "really good" one.
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Re: Burke using depth to go shopping....
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2011, 01:05:13 PM »
I wouldn't be in any rush to move either Bozak or Gunnarsson.  Let's see how Bozak does this year; I think he has the potential to be a good 3C and to fill in on the first 2 lines as needed.  Gunnarsson is a solid young dman -- I've likened him to a blossoming Hjalmersson, a guy who is not going to garner headlines but who doesn't litter the ice surface with the remains of bonehead plays.  How many really bad games has Gunnar had?  Not many, and none that stick in my memory.

I think at this stage if they are going to move a guy, you want to move one out of a strong position and at higher value, so that would be why Gunarsson keeps coming up.  Aulie would be the only other guy who probably has really good value who they would consider moving right now, so if you are going to move a young d-man due to numbers and strike while the value is high, its one of those two for sure.

edit: not saying I think its a great idea to move either Gunarsson or Aulie, but at some point it would be good to see two or three "good" players turned into one "really good" one.

Agreed. It just has to be a prudent decision with some vacant roles replaced by prospects capable of playing at the NHL level.
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Re: Burke using depth to go shopping....
« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2011, 02:31:46 PM »
I wouldn't be opposed to trading either Bozak or Gunnarsson.  I think Gunnarsson has more value and could help land us something nice in return.  Bozak, while still only starting his 3rd NHL season is 25 years old already.  While this is not too old for him to still develop, I think we still look at him as a prospect when he's really 2-3 years older then most prospects.  Bozak is also replaceable in the line-up.  We have both Colborne and Kadri ready and waiting to fill in at centre should the need arise.

I'm not saying trade them just for the sake of trading them but if Gunnar and Bozak could help land a solid piece then I'm all for it.

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Re: Burke using depth to go shopping....
« Reply #20 on: September 30, 2011, 09:21:38 PM »
I hope if they truly don't feel someone like Kadri will blossom, they're dealt.  But hopefully Burke doesn't sell out the youth just because he's feeling the heat for not making the playoffs.
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Re: Burke using depth to go shopping....
« Reply #24 on: October 07, 2011, 05:23:01 PM »
There's usually 8-10 scouts at the average game, so youre right, that is an unsually high amount.

Maybe a few more of them were there to complete their book on Reimer. I'm sure a few teams are more worried about the Leafs gaoltending, than they have been in the past. Could be a few more looking to pluck a player though, which would make sense, as I'm sure Burke has conversations and shakes the bushes pretty consistently.
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Re: Burke using depth to go shopping....
« Reply #25 on: October 07, 2011, 05:44:23 PM »
There's usually 8-10 scouts at the average game, so youre right, that is an unsually high amount.

Maybe a few more of them were there to complete their book on Reimer. I'm sure a few teams are more worried about the Leafs gaoltending, than they have been in the past. Could be a few more looking to pluck a player though, which would make sense, as I'm sure Burke has conversations and shakes the bushes pretty consistently.

I think the book on goalies are done with game tape. every game is available for review so scouts not needed for that.

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Re: Burke using depth to go shopping....
« Reply #26 on: October 07, 2011, 05:58:53 PM »
When Burke makes a deal, quite frankly I never see it coming and am shocked by the results.  I can't anticipate who the Leafs would land. 
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Re: Burke using depth to go shopping....
« Reply #27 on: October 08, 2011, 08:14:07 AM »
Gunnarson is one of my new favorite up and coming Leafs. I'd hate to deal a guy that we drafted and could turn out to be a great d-man in the league.

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Re: Burke using depth to go shopping....
« Reply #28 on: October 08, 2011, 12:09:02 PM »
It seems to me, they're going with one defenseman with offense, Phaneuf, Lilies, Gardiner and one stay-at-home, tough defenseman like Schenn, Komisarek, Aulie.   Gunnarson might be more well-rounded, but not sure he's the offensive or defensive force they're leaning towards. 
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Re: Burke using depth to go shopping....
« Reply #29 on: October 11, 2011, 10:01:03 AM »
It seems to me, they're going with one defenseman with offense, Phaneuf, Lilies, Gardiner and one stay-at-home, tough defenseman like Schenn, Komisarek, Aulie.   Gunnarson might be more well-rounded, but not sure he's the offensive or defensive force they're leaning towards. 

True but you do need to have balanced guys as well and can't have a defense full of specialists.  In general, top pairing guys usually can bring it in all areas and certainly can't be weak in one, other than maybe offensive output.

Gunarsson playing with Phaneuf is only going to elevate his value that much more.   Same with Bozak who IMO the first two games is enjoying riding the wave of offense that Kessel & Lupul have delivered.