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Re: 2015 NHL Entry Draft
« Reply #405 on: April 10, 2015, 07:01:05 PM »
Marner's hurt and won't play in game 2 tonight, which sucks.

Domi's out, too.
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« Reply #406 on: April 10, 2015, 07:06:01 PM »
Marner's hurt and won't play in game 2 tonight, which sucks.

Domi's out, too.

Hit to the head.  Kurtis MacDermid got suspended 8 games for the hit on Domi.  Mason Marchment is suspended indefinitely at this point for the injury to Marner.  Marchment pretty much crosschecked Marner in the face.

Hit on Domi: http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/video/index/id/37fbe6b9593527f56ac79f2f35d895e5
Hit on Marner: http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/video/index/id/671cf421150fcd829189d8dc24bf4691

Both are suffering concussion-like symptoms.  The Marner one drives me nuts as the ref watches the play and doesn't do anything.
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Re: 2015 NHL Entry Draft
« Reply #407 on: April 10, 2015, 07:48:11 PM »
Marner's hurt and won't play in game 2 tonight, which sucks.

Domi's out, too.

That's gotta just about be the end of the series then.

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Re: 2015 NHL Entry Draft
« Reply #408 on: April 10, 2015, 09:06:40 PM »
McDavid has 5 goals in game 2.

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« Reply #409 on: April 10, 2015, 09:18:22 PM »
McDavid has 5 goals in game 2.

The Leafs should select him if he's still available at 4.
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Re: 2015 NHL Entry Draft
« Reply #410 on: April 10, 2015, 10:29:51 PM »
Marner's hurt and won't play in game 2 tonight, which sucks.

Domi's out, too.

Hit to the head.  Kurtis MacDermid got suspended 8 games for the hit on Domi.  Mason Marchment is suspended indefinitely at this point for the injury to Marner.  Marchment pretty much crosschecked Marner in the face.

Hit on Domi: http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/video/index/id/37fbe6b9593527f56ac79f2f35d895e5
Hit on Marner: http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/video/index/id/671cf421150fcd829189d8dc24bf4691

Both are suffering concussion-like symptoms.  The Marner one drives me nuts as the ref watches the play and doesn't do anything.

Wow, those were both pretty brutal plays.  Has Mason been watching old videos of his dad playing?
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Re: 2015 NHL Entry Draft
« Reply #411 on: April 10, 2015, 11:14:05 PM »
I might argue that a 30 minute a night defenseman would be more valuable, but that's just me.  Not that I'm implying that Hanifin will necessarily be that kind of 30 minute a night Shea Weber type of force.

30 minute defencemen aren't a real thing, though. There are guys that can play that much sometimes, but no one plays that much on a regular basis - at least, not on a team that's successful in any way. A 1st line centre generally has more impact on the play when they're on the ice. They're going to have a greater influence on the team's offensive production and can have as significant an impact on the team's defence.
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Re: 2015 NHL Entry Draft
« Reply #412 on: April 10, 2015, 11:28:18 PM »
I might argue that a 30 minute a night defenseman would be more valuable, but that's just me.  Not that I'm implying that Hanifin will necessarily be that kind of 30 minute a night Shea Weber type of force.

30 minute defencemen aren't a real thing, though. There are guys that can play that much sometimes, but no one plays that much on a regular basis - at least, not on a team that's successful in any way. A 1st line centre generally has more impact on the play when they're on the ice. They're going to have a greater influence on the team's offensive production and can have as significant an impact on the team's defence.

Point noted but we're talking Hanifin vs somebody who is not McDavid or Eichel.  And a top defenseman will always be on the ice more than a top centerman.  So I'd lean Hanifin, though it's hardly a slamdunk.

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« Reply #413 on: April 10, 2015, 11:44:18 PM »
Point noted but we're talking Hanifin vs somebody who is not McDavid or Eichel.  And a top defenseman will always be on the ice more than a top centerman.  So I'd lean Hanifin, though it's hardly a slamdunk.

Yeah, but, ice time does not necessary equal impact. I maintain a 1st line centre - even one of Strome's likely ceiling - will have more impact than someone with Hanifin's likely ceiling will. If Strome's off the board, then, yes, take Hanifin, but, if he's not, you take Strome. Ideally, you need both, but the 1st line centre is the more important piece and the one that is almost impossible to find outside of the top 5 picks of the draft. Top defencemen are fairly frequently picked in the 2nd round.
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Re: 2015 NHL Entry Draft
« Reply #414 on: April 11, 2015, 12:31:36 AM »
McDavid has 5 goals in game 2.

The Leafs should select him if he's still available at 4.


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« Reply #415 on: April 11, 2015, 12:36:27 AM »
Point noted but we're talking Hanifin vs somebody who is not McDavid or Eichel.  And a top defenseman will always be on the ice more than a top centerman.  So I'd lean Hanifin, though it's hardly a slamdunk.

Yeah, but, ice time does not necessary equal impact. I maintain a 1st line centre - even one of Strome's likely ceiling - will have more impact than someone with Hanifin's likely ceiling will. If Strome's off the board, then, yes, take Hanifin, but, if he's not, you take Strome. Ideally, you need both, but the 1st line centre is the more important piece and the one that is almost impossible to find outside of the top 5 picks of the draft. Top defencemen are fairly frequently picked in the 2nd round.

OK, but I think your obsession leads to an impression that scoring repression comes not through aggression or blueline compression or +/– transgression but instead a succession of puckish possession.  This may be digression but I must offer confession that all this has left me with manic depression.

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Re: 2015 NHL Entry Draft
« Reply #416 on: April 11, 2015, 10:23:08 AM »
Point noted but we're talking Hanifin vs somebody who is not McDavid or Eichel.  And a top defenseman will always be on the ice more than a top centerman.  So I'd lean Hanifin, though it's hardly a slamdunk.

Yeah, but, ice time does not necessary equal impact. I maintain a 1st line centre - even one of Strome's likely ceiling - will have more impact than someone with Hanifin's likely ceiling will. If Strome's off the board, then, yes, take Hanifin, but, if he's not, you take Strome. Ideally, you need both, but the 1st line centre is the more important piece and the one that is almost impossible to find outside of the top 5 picks of the draft. Top defencemen are fairly frequently picked in the 2nd round.

OK, but I think your obsession leads to an impression that scoring repression comes not through aggression or blueline compression or +/– transgression but instead a succession of puckish possession.  This may be digression but I must offer confession that all this has left me with manic depression.

I appreciate your concession.
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Re: 2015 NHL Entry Draft
« Reply #417 on: April 11, 2015, 10:59:20 AM »
Point noted but we're talking Hanifin vs somebody who is not McDavid or Eichel.  And a top defenseman will always be on the ice more than a top centerman.  So I'd lean Hanifin, though it's hardly a slamdunk.

Yeah, but, ice time does not necessary equal impact. I maintain a 1st line centre - even one of Strome's likely ceiling - will have more impact than someone with Hanifin's likely ceiling will. If Strome's off the board, then, yes, take Hanifin, but, if he's not, you take Strome. Ideally, you need both, but the 1st line centre is the more important piece and the one that is almost impossible to find outside of the top 5 picks of the draft. Top defencemen are fairly frequently picked in the 2nd round.

I agree completely. While many here are saying its a long process, we shouldn t worry too much about drafting by position, you never know if we get a second chance at drafting a center in the top five again for this rebuild.
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Re: 2015 NHL Entry Draft
« Reply #418 on: April 11, 2015, 11:42:54 PM »
McDavid has 5 goals in game 2.

The Leafs should select him if he's still available at 4.

There would have to be a HUGE 3 team brain fart for that to happen!

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Re: 2015 NHL Entry Draft
« Reply #419 on: April 12, 2015, 12:15:26 AM »
Healey suggesting the Leafs may pick Crouse....ugghhhh