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Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
« Reply #120 on: March 03, 2014, 08:45:21 PM »
His ice-time doesn't really indicate it tonight, but I think there is an argument that Lupul-Kadri-Kulemin was playing really well until Clarkson came back and got put back on Kadri's line.  Kadri-Clarkson have struggled every time they are paired together.

Well, you can fix that by reuniting the line without benching Clarkson.
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Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
« Reply #121 on: March 03, 2014, 08:45:55 PM »
Well this will be the last game we see Reimer Gardiner and Franson, lets hope they can come back and win for Reim's

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Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
« Reply #122 on: March 03, 2014, 08:45:57 PM »
The leafs play better when he is out of the lineup.

I was thinking the same.  Time to scratch him for a couple and see if that does anything to get him going.  Although whiy it would, I have no idea.

I really don't see what that would do outside of be the breeding ground for some really specious reasoning. Clarkson isn't the reason other players aren't playing well and while I'm open to the idea that someone else could play better than Clarkson, he's not the only problem we're seeing.

How is it specious reasoning to take somebody who sucks out of the lineup?  And frankly he's played farther below expectations than any other player, for longer than any other.

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Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
« Reply #123 on: March 03, 2014, 08:46:10 PM »
Hope_Smoke: Doesn’t help that the Leafs dressed only 11 forwards and haven’t used them all: Kulemin 7:25, McClement 6:29, Bodie 5:39 & Smith 4:15.

Hope_Smoke: That’s bad ice time distribution. Basically playing only 6 forwards tonight. Kessel and JVR have already played over 15 mins each through 2
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Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
« Reply #124 on: March 03, 2014, 08:47:05 PM »
His ice-time doesn't really indicate it tonight, but I think there is an argument that Lupul-Kadri-Kulemin was playing really well until Clarkson came back and got put back on Kadri's line.  Kadri-Clarkson have struggled every time they are paired together.

Well, you can fix that by reuniting the line without benching Clarkson.

I agree.  And I don't understand why Clarkson is being handed minutes while doing nothing.  His big contribution tonight is a couple of turnovers and a -2.

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Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
« Reply #125 on: March 03, 2014, 08:48:13 PM »
I wonder if Reimer is going to have to defend himself all night being run..... no one is standing up for him. No one

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Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
« Reply #126 on: March 03, 2014, 08:48:36 PM »
The leafs play better when he is out of the lineup.

I was thinking the same.  Time to scratch him for a couple and see if that does anything to get him going.  Although whiy it would, I have no idea.

I really don't see what that would do outside of be the breeding ground for some really specious reasoning. Clarkson isn't the reason other players aren't playing well and while I'm open to the idea that someone else could play better than Clarkson, he's not the only problem we're seeing.

He said that the Leafs are better without Clarkson in the line-up, not that Clarkson is the only problem.
 That said, I think Clarkson is a bigger problem than some may think. He is an absolute chemistry-killer, without any peripheral awareness or sense of where his linemates are headed. He doesn't hit, he doesn't play defence, and he sure as hell doesn't score. Having a bad guy on your wing really can anchor the line, and taking him out of there would have a genuinely positive effect.

I don't want to crunch the numbers, but I'd love to see the second line's production with an without him there.

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Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
« Reply #127 on: March 03, 2014, 08:48:53 PM »
How is it specious reasoning to take somebody who sucks out of the lineup?  And frankly he's played farther below expectations than any other player, for longer than any other.

I'm saying that if you take Clarkson out of the line-up and the Leafs play a couple games then the idea that Clarkson is somehow making the entire team worse, on that basis, would take hold a little too easily. Like I said, I have no problem benching Clarkson on the basis of Ashton or Holland bringing more to the table than he does right now but not on the "maybe it'll get the rest of the team going" one.
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Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
« Reply #128 on: March 03, 2014, 08:49:17 PM »
Yeah. Carlyle isn't skating well tonight at all... Let's blame the coach for the lackluster effort of the players. More yelling on the bench Randy!

So, the fact that the team has basically played the same way for all 63 games this season and that every line is making the same type of mistakes and playing the same style has nothing to do with the coach? Good to know. This isn't an issue people only started raising tonight. This is something we've been discussing all season.
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Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
« Reply #129 on: March 03, 2014, 08:50:00 PM »
I wonder if Reimer is going to have to defend himself all night being run..... no one is standing up for him. No one

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Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
« Reply #130 on: March 03, 2014, 08:51:21 PM »
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Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
« Reply #131 on: March 03, 2014, 08:51:48 PM »
murder she wrote.

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Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
« Reply #132 on: March 03, 2014, 08:52:25 PM »
2015??  ;)

So WTH is Carlyle saying in this intermission....

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Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
« Reply #133 on: March 03, 2014, 08:53:09 PM »
Not particularly surprised at the outcome. The Jackets are a deeper team and the Leafs have little going on for them right now, top line aside.

So the source of both of goals was from CBJ's 3rd and 4th lines, which got me thinking. How often do we ever see that from the Leafs?

Last season we got a small taste of what a 4 line team looked like, but this year's forwards are nowhere near the collective unit that last year's group was.

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Re: Blue Jackets @ Leafs - Mar. 3rd, 7:00pm - SN, SN 590
« Reply #134 on: March 03, 2014, 08:53:10 PM »
How is it specious reasoning to take somebody who sucks out of the lineup?  And frankly he's played farther below expectations than any other player, for longer than any other.

I'm saying that if you take Clarkson out of the line-up and the Leafs play a couple games then the idea that Clarkson is somehow making the entire team worse, on that basis, would take hold a little too easily. Like I said, I have no problem benching Clarkson on the basis of Ashton or Holland bringing more to the table than he does right now but not on the "maybe it'll get the rest of the team going" one.

I was saying maybe it would get Clarkson going.