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Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
« Reply #120 on: December 29, 2012, 12:41:32 PM »
You never see them skate with their head down because they will be hit for doing it.  I can guarantee you that if you outlaw hitting player with head down there will be players who barely look up and coaches teaching kids to play that way to draw penalties.

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Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
« Reply #121 on: December 29, 2012, 12:45:48 PM »
You never see them skate with their head down because they will be hit for doing it.  I can guarantee you that if you outlaw hitting player with head down there will be players who barely look up and coaches teaching kids to play that way to draw penalties.
Well you're not supposed to hit the head anyways. What I'm talking about is if they hit players in the head, while having their head down, if they make a shoulder to shoulder hit or a hip check that's something else. But hitting the head while they have their heads down is dangerous. I don't think that many players will play with their heads down no matter what, because it's harder to read the game that way. All hits that risk causing concussions must be punished hard. I don't want to see any more players retiring due to that, or only playing at 70% of their ability. Another thing is that hockey must go hand in hand with the law.
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Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
« Reply #121 on: December 29, 2012, 12:45:48 PM »

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Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
« Reply #122 on: December 29, 2012, 12:49:30 PM »
Man, I thought the Camara hit was over-penalized in the game, never mind any additional discipline. I get that the IIHF rules are more strict than the NHL's, but, it didn't look like the refs were going to call anything there until they realized the Slovakian player was injured. One of the officials even told coach Spott that the hit was clean.

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Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
« Reply #123 on: December 29, 2012, 01:44:32 PM »
Btw, I've never seen any player that constantly skates with his head down.

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Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
« Reply #124 on: December 29, 2012, 01:57:18 PM »
If someone gets a concussion it's went over the line, and I don't think it's ok to constantly blame the player with his head down, he didn't get hit because he had his head down, he got hit because the player who was hitting didn't care about it.

But he did get hit because his head was down, because if he was demonstrating the awareness you are supposed to show while playing contact hockey he could have either avoided the hit altogether, or better prepared himself for the hit.  If I'm fiddling around in my glove box and not watching where I'm driving and I put myself in a position where your car hits me, can I absolve myself of blame and place it all on you?

This wasn't a targeted head hit.  If the head was hit, it was incidental (lots of hits it is almost impossible to not hit the head at some point in the contact due to the speed at which things happen).  He wasn't charging, his skates were gliding. 

The guy just got hit good and hard, why do we have to make a big deal out of it?  Thousands of players will get crushed in hits every year.  I got crushed a few times each season I played hockey, too.  You can't avoid it 100%.

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Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
« Reply #125 on: December 29, 2012, 03:48:57 PM »
So Stebro would you be OK with a player that always skates with his head down never being allowed to be hit?  How does that make sense in a contact sport?

If you were to outlaw hits to the head, just as a hypothetical, then a player skating with his head down could still be hit, he just couldn't be hit straight on in the head. Someone with their head down can still be hit shoulder to shoulder or hipchecked.
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Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
« Reply #126 on: December 29, 2012, 04:00:16 PM »
No, but it's not like all players skate with their heads down all the time, but it can happend for a second, and it's irresponsible to hit hard then, it will only lead to more concussions. And I doubt that very many players would use this as a strategy. But the feeling I get now is that all the players that hit constantly gets away while saying "well he kept his head down, it's his fault". Yes it's a contact sport, but it's also human beings that are being hit, I don't wanna see players have to retire early due to concussion. The players that hit needs to take more responsibility too. If someone gets a concussion it's went over the line, and I don't think it's ok to constantly blame the player with his head down, he didn't get hit because he had his head down, he got hit because the player who was hitting didn't care about it. And that could be seen as in intent to hurt, which is why these people should get suspended more often.

Btw, I've never seen any player that constantly skates with his head down.

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Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
« Reply #127 on: December 30, 2012, 12:04:47 AM »
Camara's hit, at first glance, might have elicited a negative reaction by the viewer, but upon closer inspection. I did not see a deliberate head-on-head attempt here. Just an attempt to knock the opponent off his feet.

These type of hits were and are very common in a game.  The difference today may be that either the hitter hits harder or that the aim may be more 'careless'-- upper chest area invariably will include the opposing player's head that will take the brunt of the impact of the hit.

I remember in the olden days when even the great Guy Lafleur was knocked down by a similar hit for the simple reason that he had his "head down".  Left him feeling woozy but be was back on his skates a few moments later, having shaken off the effects of the mid-ice hit.

Didn't Ovechkin knock Jagr silly in one particular international tournament game?  Jagr staggered then got up  and skated himself to his team's bench.  And that was a mean hit by Ovie.  No head hit but clean and 'thunderous'.

Today's players, as I once mentioned, need to relearn how to bodycheck appropriately as it once was when no one was getting hit on their heads after having endured a thunderous but clean open ice hit. 
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Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
« Reply #128 on: December 30, 2012, 06:15:09 AM »
Good start for team Canada against the US - 2:0 after the first, quite in control of the game. Good 4 min long penalty kill at the beginning of the second was crucial for Canada. Entertaining hockey, lots of shots and scoring opportunities.

EDIT - stil holding 2-0 lead after 2

EDIT 2 - 2-1 in the third, Canada better capitalize on those power plays... Yakupov should list the Americans on dirty list as well  ;D... too many game miscoundacts at this tournament IMHO

EDIT 3 - US timeout, goalie out for an extra forward, US on PP, 2 minutes left

That was close, good hockey, too many penalties, Canada could seal the game in the second half of the third on many power-plays they were given, the US came back strong in final minutes, Shubban was pretty solid.
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Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
« Reply #129 on: December 30, 2012, 06:52:42 AM »
I can't recall ever seeing both teams trying to lose a hockey game in the last 10 minutes like that. Yikes.
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« Reply #130 on: December 30, 2012, 07:29:26 AM »
2-1 final score as Malcolm Subban stands his ground inna flurry of U.S. offensive frenzy in the final minute of regulation.  With Nugent-Hopkins off for boarding, and the U.S. In favour of an extra attacker with the power play, the Canadians were able to hang on to victory.

Nugent-Hopkins and Strome accounted for Canada, while Trouba connected for the U.S. on a power play late in the third.


It was essentially a goaltending duel as Malcolm Subban was Canada's MVP of the game, while for the U.S., goaltender John Gibson took the honours.

Now, bring on the Russians!

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Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
« Reply #131 on: December 30, 2012, 09:29:17 AM »
Tight win for the good guys. The offensive players need to step it up a bit more, but Subban looks much more comfortable in net. Canada appears to be finding their game as they approach the medal round!
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« Reply #132 on: December 30, 2012, 10:15:09 AM »
Great performance by Subban!
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Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
« Reply #133 on: December 30, 2012, 12:10:39 PM »
Just watching now. Why the hell is Rielly demoted after playing such a solid game previosy with Ouelette??
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Re: World Junior Hockey Championships (WJHC 2013)
« Reply #134 on: December 30, 2012, 12:22:08 PM »
woo! faceoff win by Mark Scheifele and Ryan Nugent-Hopkins scores :)