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Re: Jordan Staal rumors about to heat up
« Reply #60 on: June 22, 2012, 01:37:53 PM »
I also think that if he was playing with Kessel and Lupul, he'd put up at least 20 extra points.

Without a doubt.

The Pens will always be Crosby and Malkin's team. He has won there so taking a chance to go somewhere else, play a leading role and win again is not surprising at all for an ultra competitive athlete who probably feels he has a lot more to give.

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« Reply #61 on: June 22, 2012, 01:37:54 PM »
But the issue there, again, is that his role in Pittsburgh isn't small(again, 27th in ATOI last year).

This isn't like Corey Schneider wanting to be a #1. Staal had the 16th highest ATOI for centres last year, more than Jason Spezza, Pavel Datsyuk and Henrik Sedin.

So, yeah, he may not be the first player who's all about himself but isn't that why you wouldn't want to invest in him for 8 or 10 years?

This is all fine and dandy. 

But if it's not about the role he plays, and it can't be the team he plays on, and I certainly hope it's not about the contract offered -- then I must be missing some reason(s) as to why he wouldn't jump on a contract like that.

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« Reply #62 on: June 22, 2012, 01:39:00 PM »
I also think that if he was playing with Kessel and Lupul, he'd put up at least 20 extra points.

Without a doubt.

The Pens will always be Crosby and Malkin's team. He has won there so taking a chance to go somewhere else, play a leading role and win again is not surprising at all for an ultra competitive athlete who probably feels he has a lot more to give.

But isn't this the type of player we don't want?   :-\

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« Reply #63 on: June 22, 2012, 01:42:42 PM »
Man, he's only 24 this year.  I think he'd be the perfect fit on the Leafs, the center we covet and the right age to grow with the team.  Of course for those very reasons I think we won't get him.  I'm used to getting kicked in the nuts as a Leafs fan.

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Re: Jordan Staal rumors about to heat up
« Reply #64 on: June 22, 2012, 01:43:21 PM »
This is all fine and dandy. 

But if it's not about the role he plays, and it can't be the team he plays on, and I certainly hope it's not about the contract offered -- then I must be missing some reason(s) as to why he wouldn't jump on a contract like that.

Well, I mean, for starters the idea of free agency is appealing to a lot of players on its own merits. Maybe Jordan Staal doesn't like some of the other guys personally. Maybe he'd like to live somewhere else other than Pittsburgh. Maybe playing with one of his brothers is really important to him.

None of us know these things. All I'm saying is that we have pretty good evidence that Jordan Staal doesn't want to sign a long term extension right now and there's not much in the way to suggest being in Toronto would change that.
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« Reply #65 on: June 22, 2012, 01:49:32 PM »
Well, it's not like we know that he in fact wouldn't sign a smaller deal, he may sign a different deal with another team.

He might think dirt clods taste like ice cream, sure, but I'm just responding to your suggestion that the guy Burke would be willing to bend on is the guy who hadn't earned it.

Depends what he and his scouts think I guess. I feel that he'll be motivated and possesses the skill to be the top guy and I think he is a guy that Burke would sign past 5 years for the same reasons. Maybe I'm wrong.
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« Reply #66 on: June 22, 2012, 02:16:13 PM »
A couple of points here...I was surprised at his ice time but without actually looking it up, I would suspect a high TOI for the PK, which would reduce his
production. That being said, I would think he also sees more opportunity to offensively flourish while the other team's key in on Malkin and Crosby. In TO for example, he'd likely face the Top D line of the opposition.

All in all, as is usual with being a Leaf fan, if he's that good we ain't getting him...at least not without giving up the farm. Come to think of it...have MLSE buy the Staal's farm and then give it back if he comes to Toronto....
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« Reply #67 on: June 22, 2012, 02:26:29 PM »
A couple of points here...I was surprised at his ice time but without actually looking it up, I would suspect a high TOI for the PK, which would reduce his
production. That being said, I would think he also sees more opportunity to offensively flourish while the other team's key in on Malkin and Crosby. In TO for example, he'd likely face the Top D line of the opposition.

All in all, as is usual with being a Leaf fan, if he's that good we ain't getting him...at least not without giving up the farm. Come to think of it...have MLSE buy the Staal's farm and then give it back if he comes to Toronto....

Nice. Perhaps as a wedding gift?  8)
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« Reply #68 on: June 22, 2012, 02:45:46 PM »
A couple of points here...I was surprised at his ice time but without actually looking it up, I would suspect a high TOI for the PK, which would reduce his production.

He does get a ton of PK time but the point of me listing his ice time wasn't to denigrate him as an offensive player but rather as a counter to the idea that he was "buried" or that he was a "3rd line player". The Penguins have three centres that they've been giving #1 ice time to. If he changes teams his role is likely to change but I don't know if it'll get bigger. 

That being said, I would think he also sees more opportunity to offensively flourish while the other team's key in on Malkin and Crosby. In TO for example, he'd likely face the Top D line of the opposition.

There's some truth there but there's also the flipside that the role he's used in means that he's often matched up against the other team's best forwards which reduces his chances to score.

But for me the more pressing issue there is, I mean, Staal is a Selke nominated defensive forward. The reason he gets a lot of PK time and plays a lot of defensive hockey is because that's what he's so good at. I don't necessarily see that getting him and shifting him away from that is a good idea.
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Re: Jordan Staal rumors about to heat up
« Reply #69 on: June 22, 2012, 02:47:38 PM »
A couple of points here...I was surprised at his ice time but without actually looking it up, I would suspect a high TOI for the PK, which would reduce his production.

He does get a ton of PK time but the point of me listing his ice time wasn't to denigrate him as an offensive player but rather as a counter to the idea that he was "buried" or that he was a "3rd line player". The Penguins have three centres that they've been giving #1 ice time to. If he changes teams his role is likely to change but I don't know if it'll get bigger. 

That being said, I would think he also sees more opportunity to offensively flourish while the other team's key in on Malkin and Crosby. In TO for example, he'd likely face the Top D line of the opposition.

There's some truth there but there's also the flipside that the role he's used in means that he's often matched up against the other team's best forwards which reduces his chances to score.

But for me the more pressing issue there is, I mean, Staal is a Selke nominated defensive forward. The reason he gets a lot of PK time and plays a lot of defensive hockey is because that's what he's so good at. I don't necessarily see that getting him and shifting him away from that is a good idea.

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In all seriousness though, I doubt Staal is coming to Toronto.  I think he wants to play in New York or Carolina. 
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Re: Jordan Staal rumors about to heat up
« Reply #70 on: June 22, 2012, 02:53:49 PM »
I also think that if he was playing with Kessel and Lupul, he'd put up at least 20 extra points.

When I traded for him in NHL 2012 and put him as my 1st line center, we won the Stanley Cup.  :P

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Re: Jordan Staal rumors about to heat up
« Reply #71 on: June 22, 2012, 08:18:39 PM »
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Jordan Staal rumors about to heat up
« Reply #72 on: June 22, 2012, 08:24:53 PM »
Carolina like I thought.

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Re: Jordan Staal rumors about to heat up
« Reply #73 on: June 22, 2012, 10:24:57 PM »
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Re: Jordan Staal rumors about to heat up
« Reply #74 on: June 24, 2012, 12:43:15 PM »
I like Jordan Staal as a 2nd line center - not a 1st. I do think Malkin & Crosby clogging up the Pens center position had something to do with him turning down an incredible offer.

I do wonder if Jussi Jokinen becomes available with this trade. He's not as good or as defensively talented as Staal but he'd be an upgrade over Bozak while it looks like the Canes could use a winger (maybe MacArthur? +)