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Offline Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate

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Tyson Barrie Conundrum
« on: February 24, 2020, 04:09:56 PM »
Good Lord.

They aren't going to be re-signing Barrie.  He's a train wreck defensively.  He's been underwhelming offensively.  They've got a replacement in Liljegren.  And yet here he is, still on the team.

Dubas should have dumped him for whatever he could get.  But no.  So, is the excuse that doing so would have "sent a message" that they are giving up on the season?  Well, the players themselves sent a 20-minute-long message Saturday night that they have given up — on being committed to playing the kind of hockey needed when matched up against a team that won't let them just play their Dubas style.

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Re: Tyson Barrie Conundrum
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2020, 04:20:22 PM »
A part of me still wants to see Barrie re-sign to a below market deal just to see people's heads explode.

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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2020, 04:21:25 PM »
You're not giving Barrie away for nothing. Leafs needed a replacement for him and obviously there wasn't a fit.

Yup. I was firmly on the "trade Barrie" train, but that was because I felt there'd be a good return for him. If the best the Leafs were being offered were mid-round picks or so-so prospects, holding on to him was the right move.
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Re: Tyson Barrie Conundrum
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2020, 04:22:46 PM »
Good deal — if they are willing to let him go to the Kraken or trade him if things are stagnating the next couple of years.  He does bring several things this team is desperately short of. 

On the other side of the ledger, he's not really all that great most of the time.

I'd feel better about the day if Dubas had at least gotten rid of Barrie.  But he couldn't even manage to do that.
You're not giving Barrie away for nothing. Leafs needed a replacement for him and obviously there wasn't a fit. And Muzz is a pretty steady D man night in, night out. We can use another like him on the right side.

1. Of course not.  But they could have gotten *something* for him, and should have.

2. As I said with regard to Muzzin, *if* things are stagnating in the next couple of years I hope Dubas is willing to move him.  Thus far he seems unable to move on from his mistakes (see Point #1).

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Re: Tyson Barrie Conundrum
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2020, 04:23:24 PM »
A part of me still wants to see Barrie re-sign to a below market deal just to see people's heads explode.
That would be awesome lol.

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Re: Tyson Barrie Conundrum
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2020, 04:24:13 PM »
You're not giving Barrie away for nothing. Leafs needed a replacement for him and obviously there wasn't a fit.

Yup. I was firmly on the "trade Barrie" train, but that was because I felt there'd be a good return for him. If the best the Leafs were being offered were mid-round picks or so-so prospects, holding on to him was the right move.

Why?  I genuinely would like to know your thinking.

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Re: Tyson Barrie Conundrum
« Reply #6 on: February 24, 2020, 04:25:17 PM »
Good deal — if they are willing to let him go to the Kraken or trade him if things are stagnating the next couple of years.  He does bring several things this team is desperately short of. 

On the other side of the ledger, he's not really all that great most of the time.

I'd feel better about the day if Dubas had at least gotten rid of Barrie.  But he couldn't even manage to do that.
You're not giving Barrie away for nothing. Leafs needed a replacement for him and obviously there wasn't a fit. And Muzz is a pretty steady D man night in, night out. We can use another like him on the right side.

1. Of course not.  But they could have gotten *something* for him, and should have.

2. As I said with regard to Muzzin, *if* things are stagnating in the next couple of years I hope Dubas is willing to move him.  Thus far he seems unable to move on from his mistakes (see Point #1).

They are getting Barrie for the rest of the season as they fight for a playoff spot and try to make a run. There is value there. He has another gear if the team can figure out how to use it.

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Re: Tyson Barrie Conundrum
« Reply #7 on: February 24, 2020, 04:25:58 PM »
A part of me still wants to see Barrie re-sign to a below market deal just to see people's heads explode.

Sure, if you like watching them keep on doing what they're doing now defensively.  It's so entertaining.

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Re: Tyson Barrie Conundrum
« Reply #8 on: February 24, 2020, 04:27:01 PM »
Good deal — if they are willing to let him go to the Kraken or trade him if things are stagnating the next couple of years.  He does bring several things this team is desperately short of. 

On the other side of the ledger, he's not really all that great most of the time.

I'd feel better about the day if Dubas had at least gotten rid of Barrie.  But he couldn't even manage to do that.
You're not giving Barrie away for nothing. Leafs needed a replacement for him and obviously there wasn't a fit. And Muzz is a pretty steady D man night in, night out. We can use another like him on the right side.

1. Of course not.  But they could have gotten *something* for him, and should have.

2. As I said with regard to Muzzin, *if* things are stagnating in the next couple of years I hope Dubas is willing to move him.  Thus far he seems unable to move on from his mistakes (see Point #1).

They are getting Barrie for the rest of the season as they fight for a playoff spot and try to make a run. There is value there. He has another gear if the team can figure out how to use it.

That was what the coaching change was supposed to accomplish.

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Re: Tyson Barrie Conundrum
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2020, 04:27:28 PM »
A part of me still wants to see Barrie re-sign to a below market deal just to see people's heads explode.

Sure, if you like watching them keep on doing what they're doing now defensively.  It's so entertaining.

Swapping one defenceman is going to fix that? Especially without knowing if the replacement defenceman is any better?

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Re: Tyson Barrie Conundrum
« Reply #10 on: February 24, 2020, 04:28:05 PM »
Why?  I genuinely would like to know your thinking.

Because, I don't think a 3rd pick is more valuable that holding on to him, and hoping the embarrassment the team faced on Saturday lights a fire under their asses. It doesn't help the team in the present, and it's unlikely to help the team in the near future. A 3rd pick is almost certainly at least 3 years away from becoming a contributor for the team - and that's if they beat the odds and are actually an NHL player. That kind of deal doesn't move the needle enough for the kind of message it sends.
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Re: Tyson Barrie Conundrum
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2020, 04:29:34 PM »
Good deal — if they are willing to let him go to the Kraken or trade him if things are stagnating the next couple of years.  He does bring several things this team is desperately short of. 

On the other side of the ledger, he's not really all that great most of the time.

I'd feel better about the day if Dubas had at least gotten rid of Barrie.  But he couldn't even manage to do that.
You're not giving Barrie away for nothing. Leafs needed a replacement for him and obviously there wasn't a fit. And Muzz is a pretty steady D man night in, night out. We can use another like him on the right side.

1. Of course not.  But they could have gotten *something* for him, and should have.

2. As I said with regard to Muzzin, *if* things are stagnating in the next couple of years I hope Dubas is willing to move him.  Thus far he seems unable to move on from his mistakes (see Point #1).

They are getting Barrie for the rest of the season as they fight for a playoff spot and try to make a run. There is value there. He has another gear if the team can figure out how to use it.

That was what the coaching change was supposed to accomplish.
And for the most part, it has. Barrie was lost under Babs.

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Re: Tyson Barrie Conundrum
« Reply #12 on: February 24, 2020, 04:32:52 PM »
He has another gear if the team can figure out how to use it.

That was what the coaching change was supposed to accomplish.

Since you brought it up, since the coaching change he's:

Scored at a 57 point pace (1st among Leafs defencemen)
Played 21:41 a game (2nd among Leafs defencemen)
52.55% CF (3rd)
56.94% GF (2nd)
3.42   GF/60 (2nd)
2.59 GA/60 (3rd)

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Re: Tyson Barrie Conundrum
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2020, 04:34:58 PM »
Best RHD on the market today for the way the Leafs play if he just stops defaulting to ripping a slapper from the blueline. That’s the only change he needs to make. And he’s already doing it.
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Re: Tyson Barrie Conundrum
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2020, 04:35:35 PM »
I'm going to close this and the Muzzin thread for a couple minutes to move the Barrie talk to it's own one since it's trickling into different parts.