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I can't help but think that with all this Marner-must-go business in the media over the past few months, and heading into next season... What if this is finally the breakout year for the club? What if they win a couple of playoff rounds and the core-four actually deliver the goods?

They finally have what appears to be a decently sound defensive core and a solid goaltending tandem. 

Perhaps just wishful thinking per usual, but the narrative on Marner could do a complete 180 if anything good transpires in next years playoffs.

It wouldn't surprise me one iota if that happens.
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Quote from: CarltonTheBear on July 04, 2024, 09:18:35 AMI was not expecting this but Alyn McCauley had a monster D+2 season in the OHL: 112 points in 50 games. Wasn't good enough for the OHL scoring lead though as he finished 3rd behind a couple decent players: Marc Savard and Joe Thornton.

Every year adjusts my player template analysis, so here's my latest thing, for obvious reasons.

Help walk me off the ledge of this semi-hot take (or don't, because it's true): pure (perimeter) playmakers are overrated due to regular season performance and most cap-era Cup Finalists/Winners don't feature one in a prominent roster slot.

At risk of missing the point... I don't think that McCauley fits this narrative.


So I'm not sure in what way McCauley becomes evidence that regular season specialising perimeter players don't exist on Cup contenders. If anything, that 20 goal defensive forward is exactly what the current Leafs would like to add.


Sorry, I was mostly referring to Marc Savard and Joe Thornton. Savard has a Cup win 2011, but he did not feature in that run due to injuries. They put up gaudy point totals but ultimately, does their play translate in the playoffs?

I agree an Alyn McCauley type depth player gives the team a better chance to overmatch lower in the lineup.

Feels like reaching. Biggest reason Savard didn't have bigger playoff numbers was he played most of his career on teams that didn't make the playoffs. Argue that's on him if you like, but it's a team game. Even if your take holds somewhat true, Savard in his 25 playoff games doesn't have the chance to adapt that Thornton gets in his 187.

Phil Kessel has 3 cups now (100 playoff games) after finding the right roles. Maybe there's an alternate universe where Marc Savard wound up on the San Jose Sharks as a supporting cast member and both Savard and Thornton have cups.

It's self evident to say that there are players who perform better than others when the refs swallow their whistles in the playoffs. The value of players changes. It's not a stretch to say that the teams who win will be those who have rosters maximising that changed value.

IMO it's a trap to try to definitively sort players into "playoff guys" and "not playoff guys". It's a moving target where the only time we get enough sample size to judge is when good "playoff guys" have the serendipity to land on good rosters full of other "playoff guys". It's easy to point to a roster and say "they didn't get it done. Must not have enough playoff guys." Hard to prove wrong, but not constructive. Fine for the intermission desk, not for the work of building a team.

Talented, motivated players can figure it out. If they get the chance.

Never did I ever think I'd write so many words in defence of Marc Savard.

Well said.
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Quote from: CarltonTheBear on July 02, 2024, 10:03:30 AMPretty good job of the Leafs to keep this to two years. One of the reasons I wasn't too keen on Stolarz or Brossoit at first (aside from the latter's other stuff) was I thought for sure both of them would be getting 3-year contracts. That would have conflicted with when Hildeby loses his waiver exemption (26/27 season). A 2-year deal now means that lines up with Stolarz's contract expiring, pretty clearing paving the way for Hildeby to potentially earn a full time NHL spot that season. If he proves capable of it in the next 2 years of course.
What is Brossoit's other stuff?

He's an Alex Jones follower.  Follows a bunch of conspiracy theory nonsense to veers into school shooting denial topics.

Better than a Jim Jones follower. But that's a different kind of coolaid altogether
With debrusk signing with the Canucks who replaces Burtuzzi?
The Leafs are going to lose out on Tanev if they can't reach an agreement in a couple of hours. 
Quote from: herman on June 30, 2024, 12:59:26 PMI would get a Marner jersey if he signed this exact deal too

They'll probably add a 1 in front of that number and you can have my Marner jersey, because I won't need it anymore.
Main Leafs Hockey Talk / Re: 2024 Draft Discussion
June 28, 2024, 08:52:45 PM
What are the odds the Leafs trade pick 31 for 2 more picks?
Oilers feeling that 'what do you have to do to score?' feeling the Leafs had last year with these Panthers .

The Bruins are pretty familiar with that feeling too. Lol
Quote from: herman on June 04, 2024, 08:44:58 AM
Quote from: Guilt Trip on June 04, 2024, 12:22:30 AMNo shock here...

This update literally says there has been no news.

But if we're analyzing the whitespace of an article here, what we're not seeing, that is common in superstar UFA-1 conversations, is a vociferous assurance of the player loving it in this city and playing for this team. If all we're getting is this perfunctory "he will honour his contract", then that's more telling.

I think his agent is in full command now.
Florida wins this in 5 or 6.
I wish some members of the media would stop harping on about Marner being the problem for the Leafs not having more playoff success.

Marner is not the problem.

In fact, I would wager he will move onto another team find amazing playoff success and prove this BS theory completely false.

The problem with Maple Leafs is structure, too top heavy and not enough players that can or are willing to play good defensive hockey (Marner is not poor defensively, as proven with his utility on the penalty kill).

It will be regrettable if Marner is the player that is forced out the door in order to fix this teams flaws, but the most regrettable issue is how some of the media are berating him and placing the blame squarely on him .

The guy is one of the very best offensive players in the league and one of the best Leafs of all time. I just hope trading him or letting him walk doesn't come back and bite this team in the ass like it has with a few other ex-Leafs in recent years.
Quote from: herman on May 22, 2024, 01:25:04 PMI don't think staying close to Toronto is a priority for Marner, so Buffalo probably isn't a destination he'd have in mind.

A west coast or Sun Belt city with limited or no income taxation, where people don't know you're a hockey player on the street might appeal if he's laying down his godhood.
No income tax: Nashville, Seattle, Las Vegas, Florida/Tampa, Dallas
Low income tax: Colorado, Utah, St. Louis

Cross-reference with which teams are approaching a contention threshold, have a couple of good prospects on the cusp, while the team needs more assists, and has cap space: Nashville, Utah, Seattle?

A sign and trade after July 1 would set him and the recipient team up nicely: 1 775k year + 8 years doesn't change the cap hit, but will show up more palatably on their payroll ledger.

Not that it matters all that much, but I think the comment about Toronto players being gods was something he was fond of.
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Quote from: Palmateer29 on May 17, 2024, 08:25:43 AMCarolina is out, does that make Brind"Amour available now?

My understanding is that he's under contract until July 1st.

Can someone explain to me how he's a significant upgrade over Keefe? Other than 'it's a new voice'.

If all we seem to care about is playoffs, his teams were twice eliminated by the same teams that eliminated the Leafs, going 0-8 in those games. I'm not saying that's all on him, or on him at all, but it just doesn't seem all that... impressive.

Yeah, it's all pretty subjective. I'm not sure which available coach provides more than just a 'new voice' to be honest.

It's great to find a coach who's won 1 cup, but that doesn't mean he's ever gonna win another one. The only new coach I'd get excited about would be a perennial cup winner. Don't see any of those in line for an interview for the Leafs coaching job.
Do we draft from a position of need or the best player available... even if he's a left handed forward?

The rule of thumb is usually take the best player available, but we've done that for years now and have ended up with too few good defensemen and too many really good forwards... to the point there's talk of letting one of our best players walk so we can find the cap room for a D-man.