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Title: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: hockeyfan1 on February 18, 2016, 07:01:08 AM
According to New York Post writer Larry Brooks, New York Islanders captain John Tavares may very well become a Toronto Maple Leaf in the year 2018.


Tavares, who's in his fourth year of a six year contract at $5.5M/Y, is frustrated with the Islanders state of affairs.  Firstly, the Islanders play at the Barclay's Center in Brooklyn, but practice in Long Island.  The commute is said to be tiring and many of the players including Tavares, are fed up of this arrangement.  There is currently no practice facility for the hockey team in Brooklyn, strange as it all sounds.


Secondly, considering that the Islanders haven't made much stride in their quest to advance in the playoffs (their early exit last season) and there's no telling how they will fare this post-season neither. 


With Tavares becoming an impending UFA in two years, the thought of him being signed by the Leafs will surely make many fans happy, even though Tavares will be all of 27 by then, but certainly a good addition to a Leaf team that may begin to blossom into a competitive unit.


Who knows?  We'll see.



http://nypost.com/2016/02/13/why-brooklyn-frustrated-john-tavares-could-bolt-to-leafs-in-18/ (http://nypost.com/2016/02/13/why-brooklyn-frustrated-john-tavares-could-bolt-to-leafs-in-18/)
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Peter D. on February 18, 2016, 10:00:33 AM
Yes please.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: herman on February 18, 2016, 10:13:10 AM
I'm also queuing up the Subban and McDavid rumours because Mike Babcock said he will make Toronto a safe place and players from the GTA will want to come back.

Larry Brooks is the NYP writer for the Rangers. I think he's just lobbing a flashbang into the Islander's territory and he knows that mentioning Toronto will generate traction even though it is all unsubstantiated speculation.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Nik on February 18, 2016, 10:48:16 AM

Yeah, this doesn't seem like anything other than the "Player X is from Ontario, you know what else is in Ontario? The Leafs!" stuff we've probably heard about 95% of local players.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 18, 2016, 10:49:28 AM
My dad told me he's signing with the Leafs guys, book it.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Peter D. on February 18, 2016, 11:23:47 AM
The question is, will a 27 soon to be 28-year old whose best days may be behind him fit well within the team's building strategy consisting of a bunch of 19- to 22-year olds?
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: bustaheims on February 18, 2016, 11:28:29 AM
Ugh. Another two year "will he or won't he?" Lovely.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: herman on February 18, 2016, 11:29:47 AM
That being said...

Top GTA players to bring home from up to 2 jurisdictions outside of Toronto and of a vintage that they'd be useful to Toronto in our projected timeframe of success:

Did I forget anyone?

[tweet]700171462544494592[/tweet]
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: RedLeaf on February 18, 2016, 11:40:02 AM
Quote from: Peter D. on February 18, 2016, 11:23:47 AM
The question is, will a 27 soon to be 28-year old whose best days may be behind him fit well within the team's building strategy consisting of a bunch of 19- to 22-year olds?

Its not a bad backup plan if the rebuild doesn't get off the ground. What would the oilers do if they had Stamkos and Tavares banging at the door I wonder?
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Nik on February 18, 2016, 11:47:00 AM

Isn't McDavid from Newmarket? Cause I feel like we're already pushing it with Markham.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: CarltonTheBear on February 18, 2016, 11:50:45 AM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on February 18, 2016, 11:47:00 AM

Isn't McDavid from Newmarket? Cause I feel like we're already pushing it with Markham.

There's an exemption allowed for players who grew up with Leafs posters in their room.

But all that's still in the GTA.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: louisstamos on February 18, 2016, 12:16:23 PM
Didn't P.K sign a giant extension with Montreal relatively recently?  Is there talk about them trading him, or are we talking about him signing as a UFA in 2022 or whenever it would be.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: bustaheims on February 18, 2016, 12:18:50 PM
Quote from: louisstamos on February 18, 2016, 12:16:23 PM
Didn't P.K sign a giant extension with Montreal relatively recently?  Is there talk about them trading him, or are we talking about him signing as a UFA in 2022 or whenever it would be.

Not until after Tavares doesn't hit UFA status or doesn't sign with the Leafs.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: AvroArrow on February 18, 2016, 12:21:29 PM
Jeezus, lets not start this shit... ::)
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: LuncheonMeat on February 18, 2016, 12:36:41 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on February 18, 2016, 12:18:50 PM
Quote from: louisstamos on February 18, 2016, 12:16:23 PM
Didn't P.K sign a giant extension with Montreal relatively recently?  Is there talk about them trading him, or are we talking about him signing as a UFA in 2022 or whenever it would be.

Not until after Tavares doesn't hit UFA status or doesn't sign with the Leafs.

Not necessarily. Subban was benched in the final minute of last night's game. The Leafs will have first shot once the Habs waive him.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: herman on February 18, 2016, 01:28:42 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 18, 2016, 11:50:45 AM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on February 18, 2016, 11:47:00 AM

Isn't McDavid from Newmarket? Cause I feel like we're already pushing it with Markham.

There's an exemption allowed for players who grew up with Leafs posters in their room.

But all that's still in the GTA.

McDavid is from Richmond Hill, which is north of North York, and then later moved to Newmarket; Stamkos is from Unionville/Markham, which is just north of Scarborough. I counted up to 2 townships outside of the Toronto amalgamation.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Nik on February 18, 2016, 01:35:27 PM
Quote from: herman on February 18, 2016, 01:28:42 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 18, 2016, 11:50:45 AM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on February 18, 2016, 11:47:00 AM

Isn't McDavid from Newmarket? Cause I feel like we're already pushing it with Markham.

There's an exemption allowed for players who grew up with Leafs posters in their room.

But all that's still in the GTA.

McDavid is from Richmond Hill, which is north of North York, and then later moved to Newmarket; Stamkos is from Unionville/Markham, which is just north of Scarborough. I counted up to 2 townships outside of the Toronto amalgamation.

I still disapprove of anything north of St. Clair.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Joe on February 18, 2016, 02:01:19 PM
Quote from: Peter D. on February 18, 2016, 11:23:47 AM
The question is, will a 27 soon to be 28-year old whose best days may be behind him fit well within the team's building strategy consisting of a bunch of 19- to 22-year olds?

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Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: herman on February 19, 2016, 12:26:17 PM
Heeey yeah

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Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: LuncheonMeat on June 29, 2016, 05:36:31 PM
John Tavares breathed a huge sigh of relief with Stamkos re-signing in Tampa today. Why? Because the ice conditions are so bad at Barclay's that no one will ever sign a contract with the Islanders again. That being the case, Tavares will be without a home in a couple of years. But don't take my word for it... take it away, Larry!

Larry Brooks of the New York Post quotes sources that tell him free agents are staying away from the Islanders.

Brooks write: "[...]one agent with a marquee stable of players has told Slap Shots that he would not recommend that his clients sign with the Islanders as a result of the bad ice conditions at Barclays during the playoffs that he deemed "dangerous.""
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: skrackle on June 30, 2016, 12:47:08 AM
Seems like an ice problem should be fixable, even if they have to rip up the rink surface and re-do it.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: TBLeafer on June 30, 2016, 09:27:49 AM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on February 18, 2016, 01:35:27 PM
Quote from: herman on February 18, 2016, 01:28:42 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 18, 2016, 11:50:45 AM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on February 18, 2016, 11:47:00 AM

Isn't McDavid from Newmarket? Cause I feel like we're already pushing it with Markham.

There's an exemption allowed for players who grew up with Leafs posters in their room.

But all that's still in the GTA.

McDavid is from Richmond Hill, which is north of North York, and then later moved to Newmarket; Stamkos is from Unionville/Markham, which is just north of Scarborough. I counted up to 2 townships outside of the Toronto amalgamation.

I still disapprove of anything north of St. Clair.

Why don't you like Yonge Eggs?
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Zee on June 30, 2016, 09:35:33 AM
So Matthews 1C, Tavares 2C Kadri 3C, looks pretty good to me
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: bustaheims on June 30, 2016, 09:47:47 AM
They have 2 full seasons to address the issue. If it's still a problem in spring 2018, then we can talk.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: RedLeaf on June 30, 2016, 10:46:55 AM
Quote from: Zee on June 30, 2016, 09:35:33 AM
So Matthews 1C, Tavares 2C Kadri 3C, looks pretty good to me

Oh man. we just locked down the 160 page Stamkos thread and now Tavares? lol
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: RedLeaf on June 30, 2016, 10:52:25 AM
FTR... I was pretty sure Stamkos was planning to come to the Leafs. It still might have happened if not for a few things that changed on both sides of the equation.  However, there is nothing at all out there that even hints at Tavares coming in a few years. I just don't see it. He'll sign the extension with the Islanders, and play out his days there in all likelihood. The big change to the Leafs this offseason is still the one I wanted the most to happen: landing Auston Matthews. Everything else that may or may not have happened so far this off season, was/is cannon fodder, for lack of a better term.

Exciting times are upon us in Leafland, and even without big name signings, things are starting to shape up. For those that didn't want Stamkos here because of cap space, I hope they are right about their reasons and their stance. The issue I have is this: The team, as it stands now will not be a bottom feeder again this season. They will not be a playoff team this season. That only leaves one other place to finish in the standings, and it is NOT the place we want to be hanging out in for however many more years to come.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: jdh1 on June 30, 2016, 11:26:36 AM
Quote from: RedLeaf on June 30, 2016, 10:52:25 AM
FTR... I was pretty sure Stamkos was planning to come to the Leafs. It still might have happened if not for a few things that changed on both sides of the equation.  However, there is nothing at all out there that even hints at Tavares coming in a few years. I just don't see it. He'll sign the extension with the Islanders, and play out his days there in all likelihood. The big change to the Leafs this offseason is still the one I wanted the most to happen: landing Auston Matthews. Everything else that may or may not have happened so far this off season, was/is cannon fodder, for lack of a better term.

Exciting times are upon us in Leafland, and even without big name signings, things are starting to shape up. For those that didn't want Stamkos here because of cap space, I hope they are right about their reasons and their stance. The issue I have is this: The team, as it stands now will not be a bottom feeder again this season. They will not be a playoff team this season. That only leaves one other place to finish in the standings, and it is NOT the place we want to be hanging out in for however many more years to come.

But you never know about this upcoming season,they could be competitive in some ways,there is probably more changes coming...already a new goalie,a lot can change with stellar goaltending if it happens..look what a good netminder has done for Montreal.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Nik on June 30, 2016, 11:32:53 AM

You never know. Tavares in two years might be the right player at the right time. The Leafs might have taken good steps by then and be ready to compete and a 7 year deal might be a good idea.

But if there's anything people should learn from yesterday it's that any big ticket free agents being part of "the plan" is a sucker's bet. It's like "planning" on finding buried treasure. It's entirely outside of the team's control and as such, should only ever be seen as an opportunity and not a necessity. We need to remember how much noise and nonsense there is, how anonymous sources and ex-GM's and twitter likes are so often complete and total red herrings. Until a player makes it to July 1st and can field offers, and even then until we see the press conference announcing him as part of the team, it should always be seen as an unexpected boost, a happy coincidence, and not integral to what the team wants to do.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: TimKerr on June 30, 2016, 11:43:27 AM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on June 30, 2016, 11:32:53 AM

You never know. Tavares in two years might be the right player at the right time. The Leafs might have taken good steps by then and be ready to compete and a 7 year deal might be a good idea.

But if there's anything people should learn from yesterday it's that any big ticket free agents being part of "the plan" is a sucker's bet. It's like "planning" on finding buried treasure. It's entirely outside of the team's control and as such, should only ever be seen as an opportunity and not a necessity. We need to remember how much noise and nonsense there is, how anonymous sources and ex-GM's and twitter likes are so often complete and total red herrings. Until a player makes it to July 1st and can field offers, and even then until we see the press conference announcing him as part of the team, it should always be seen as an unexpected boost, a happy coincidence, and not integral to what the team wants to do.


But, but, but..... Brian Lawton!
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: LuncheonMeat on June 30, 2016, 11:47:52 AM
Quote from: bustaheims on June 30, 2016, 09:47:47 AM
They have 2 full seasons to address the issue. If it's still a problem in spring 2018, then we can talk.

Party pooper!
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: cabber24 on June 30, 2016, 11:49:58 AM
I hate that this thread exist. Are we really going to grow this thread to 1000 pages? Have we not learned from the Stamkos thread? I mean really, 2 years in advance of Tavares POTENTIALLY becoming a UFA? Guess what, Nash never became a UFA and neither did Stamkos. Sure NYI are s#@t a show today but that doesn't mean they will be 2 years from now.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Nik on June 30, 2016, 11:55:24 AM
Quote from: cabber24 on June 30, 2016, 11:49:58 AM
I hate that this thread exist. Are we really going to grow this thread to 1000 pages? Have we not learned from the Stamkos thread? I mean really, 2 years in advance of Tavares POTENTIALLY becoming a UFA? Guess what, Nash never became a UFA and neither did Stamkos. Sure NYI are s#@t show today but that doesn't mean they will be 2 years from now.

While I understand what you're saying, threads are only what we make them. The Stamkos thread was pretty quiet for a year until the possibility of him became a sooner rather than later thing.

Even then, I'd like to think Stamkos re-signing taught a few lessons about the way we talk about pending UFA's in the future.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: cabber24 on June 30, 2016, 12:00:33 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on June 30, 2016, 11:55:24 AM
Quote from: cabber24 on June 30, 2016, 11:49:58 AM
I hate that this thread exist. Are we really going to grow this thread to 1000 pages? Have we not learned from the Stamkos thread? I mean really, 2 years in advance of Tavares POTENTIALLY becoming a UFA? Guess what, Nash never became a UFA and neither did Stamkos. Sure NYI are s#@t show today but that doesn't mean they will be 2 years from now.

While I understand what you're saying, threads are only what we make them. The Stamkos thread was pretty quiet for a year until the possibility of him became a sooner rather than later thing.

Even then, I'd like to think Stamkos re-signing taught a few lessons about the way we talk about pending UFA's in the future.
All NYI have to do is convince Tavares long enough, to write his name on a contract, that staying is a good idea and then they have him for another 8 years. They have a tonne a time to open that 10 second window.

Guys of Tavares caliber do not become UFAs.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Nik on June 30, 2016, 12:05:28 PM
Quote from: cabber24 on June 30, 2016, 12:00:33 PM
All NYI have to do is convince Tavares long enough, to write his name on a contract, that staying is a good idea and then they have him for another 8 years. They have a tonne a time to open that 10 second window.

Guys of Tavares caliber do not become UFAs.

For the most part I'm inclined to agree. I think that NHL GMs aren't going to let guys like that walk if there's a chance they don't.

That said, it's probably unrealistic to expect the "PLayer X grew up in the GTA and liked the Maple Leafs as a child, therefore he's determined to be a Leaf!" crew to retire completely.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: sneakyray on June 30, 2016, 12:11:42 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on June 30, 2016, 12:05:28 PM
Quote from: cabber24 on June 30, 2016, 12:00:33 PM
All NYI have to do is convince Tavares long enough, to write his name on a contract, that staying is a good idea and then they have him for another 8 years. They have a tonne a time to open that 10 second window.

Guys of Tavares caliber do not become UFAs.

For the most part I'm inclined to agree. I think that NHL GMs aren't going to let guys like that walk if there's a chance they don't.

That said, it's probably unrealistic to expect the "PLayer X grew up in the GTA and liked the Maple Leafs as a child, therefore he's determined to be a Leaf!" crew to retire completely.

I don't know...clarkson did.  But bolland walked.

maybe it has more to do with money!!! lol
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: No.92 on June 30, 2016, 01:11:34 PM
Firstly, I wouldn't want to go through the same crap we did with Stamkos.  It was a let down we didn't get him.  Also, we don't need another center at that point I don't think plus he will be something like 27/28?  I think that's too old for me to take a risk on a big contract with him at that time.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Tigger on June 30, 2016, 01:20:52 PM
I'm looking forward to the 'Vic Hedman?' thread.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: herman on June 30, 2016, 01:23:35 PM
As a relatively new member to these boards, I enjoyed the Stamkos thread discussion immensely and getting to know people and how they process the game of being fans of the game. Pretty sure I didn't give full value to my place of employment during the course of that discussion.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Nik on June 30, 2016, 01:27:16 PM

I really just hope that now that the Stamkos thread is over, some posters will remember that if they don't like a thread they don't have to participate in it or even read it. Unless you're being held at gunpoint, in which case try to respond with a clever acrostic.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: herman on June 30, 2016, 01:32:40 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on June 30, 2016, 01:27:16 PM

I really just hope that now that the Stamkos thread is over, some posters will remember that if they don't like a thread they don't have to participate in it or even read it. Unless you're being held at gunpoint, in which case try to respond with a clever acrostic.

Home is where the heart is, and Stamkos' heart was in Tampa all along.
Elated though we may be at the prospect of a premiere player coming home, fueled by
Lawton's convictions, Stamkos never promised anyone anything about where he would sign.
Players have the right to choose where they work as much as the rest of us do.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: bustaheims on June 30, 2016, 01:34:06 PM
Quote from: Tigger on June 30, 2016, 01:20:52 PM
I'm looking forward to the 'Vic Hedman?' thread.

Honestly, if he does make it to UFA and the Leafs miss out on Liljegren, he'd be the guy I'd throw all the money at. I don't think there'd be as much debate about signing him. A 26/27 y/o #1 defenceman for a team whose biggest hole will likely be on the top defensive pairing . . . that's a pretty easy sell for me.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Nik on June 30, 2016, 01:34:31 PM
Quote from: herman on June 30, 2016, 01:32:40 PM
Home is where the heart is, and Stamkos' heart was in Tampa all along.
Elated though we may be at the prospect of a premiere player coming home, fueled by
Lawton's convictions, Stamkos never promised anyone anything about where he would sign.
Players have the right to choose where they work as much as the rest of us do.

Now that we're past the Stamkos situation we should
Only think about drafting and developing.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: herman on June 30, 2016, 01:40:33 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on June 30, 2016, 01:34:31 PM
Quote from: herman on June 30, 2016, 01:32:40 PM
Home is where the heart is, and Stamkos' heart was in Tampa all along.
Elated though we may be at the prospect of a premiere player coming home, fueled by
Lawton's convictions, Stamkos never promised anyone anything about where he would sign.
Players have the right to choose where they work as much as the rest of us do.

Now that we're past the Stamkos situation we should
Only think about drafting and developing.

Presently, I definitely agree that our focus should be on the internal development of our prospects.
Enhancing the growth that has already taken place can only net positive
Results, be it from true growth, or winnowing out the ones who have unfortunately
Fallen down the depth chart.
Ideally, I'd like to see our youth get the chance to fail and succeed in the big show.
Defense is still an issue that might be, but won't likely be, solved internally knowing who is in the pipeline.
Yegor Korshkov's pick would've been better spent spinning the roulette on more defense options.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Tigger on June 30, 2016, 01:46:25 PM
Quote from: bustaheims on June 30, 2016, 01:34:06 PM
Quote from: Tigger on June 30, 2016, 01:20:52 PM
I'm looking forward to the 'Vic Hedman?' thread.

Honestly, if he does make it to UFA and the Leafs miss out on Liljegren, he'd be the guy I'd throw all the money at. I don't think there'd be as much debate about signing him. A 26/27 y/o #1 defenceman for a team whose biggest hole will likely be on the top defensive pairing . . . that's a pretty easy sell for me.

Me too, and that's as far as I'm going with it, see what happens a year from now. Though that also leads me to be more and more convinced that the Leafs need to at least steer towards a top 5 pick next year, just for the value if anything, and really work the trade angle for a good d prospect, between now and next draft. I'm much more inclined to believe the Leafs will find something suitable in trades overall to satisfy the need for a, preferably young, top 2 pairing dman than banking on the ufa market or next years draft individually.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Britishbulldog on June 30, 2016, 10:51:38 PM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on June 30, 2016, 01:34:31 PM
Now that we're past the Stamkos situation we should only think about drafting and developing.

I agree 100%!!
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Al14 on July 06, 2016, 11:02:06 AM
Well, it looks like that we have learned absolutely nothing from the Stamkos situation!   :(

As far as I'm concerned, we should just stop this nonsense about Tavares becoming a Leaf in 2018.   :-[

Let's not talk about it ad nauseam, as it's likely not happening!    >:(
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Deebo on July 06, 2016, 11:35:17 AM
Quote from: Al14 on July 06, 2016, 11:02:06 AM
Well, it looks like that we have learned absolutely nothing from the Stamkos situation!   :(

As far as I'm concerned, we should just stop this nonsense about Tavares becoming a Leaf in 2018.   :-[

Let's not talk about it ad nauseam, as it's likely not happening!    >:(

You don't have to talk or read about it, just don't click the thread.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: CarltonTheBear on July 06, 2016, 11:50:34 AM
The Tavares in 2018 talk is pretty silly though when you think about it. I mean, we have to leave some cap space for when we sign Doughty in 2019 so I just don't see how it'll fit.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: LuncheonMeat on July 06, 2016, 12:39:08 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on July 06, 2016, 11:50:34 AM
The Tavares in 2018 talk is pretty silly though when you think about it. I mean, we have to leave some cap space for when we sign Doughty in 2019 so I just don't see how it'll fit.

Which is exactly why Tavares will take a hometown discount to play in Toronto.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Zee on July 06, 2016, 12:43:07 PM
Tavares as a 2nd line center sounds perfect to me.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Al14 on July 07, 2016, 12:20:13 PM
Quote from: Zee on July 06, 2016, 12:43:07 PM
Tavares as a 2nd line center sounds perfect to me.

Tavares won't play 2nd fiddle to an American kid from Arizona!  Book it.   8)
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: TBLeafer on July 27, 2016, 09:51:50 AM
If they want him, they'll undoubtedly have to trade for him.

Seguin in 2019? His view of being a Leaf is similar to Stamkos and has a similar affection for Toronto as Stamkos does at least.

Plus there's a bit of sweet irony in that, given we actually could have had him and missed out on him first time around.

But Tavares?  He just basically killed the notion of reaching UFA and potentially becoming a Leaf.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/tavares-playing-maple-leafs-not-count/ (http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/tavares-playing-maple-leafs-not-count/)
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: herman on July 27, 2016, 09:55:15 AM
RIP this thread.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: TBLeafer on July 27, 2016, 10:01:54 AM
Quote from: herman on July 27, 2016, 09:55:15 AM
RIP this thread.

Pretty much.  Besides, Seguin in nineteen has a better ring to it. ;)
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Nik on July 27, 2016, 10:15:11 AM
Quote from: herman on July 27, 2016, 09:55:15 AM
RIP this thread.

Yeah, if there's one thing the Stamkos thread should teach us it's that we should really put a ton of stock in media reports about where players want to play.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Zee on July 27, 2016, 10:19:26 AM
Johnny T will regret his statement when he watches the Leafs hoist the Cup in years, 2019, 2020 and 2021.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: bustaheims on July 27, 2016, 10:42:58 AM
Player makes standard loyalty statements 2 years before potentially becoming UFA. Sky still blue. News at 6.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: cabber24 on July 27, 2016, 12:17:06 PM
Oh he's coming to Toronto, he just doesn't know it yet!

NYI is a gongshow isn't it? Chalres Wang (clueless), Brooklyn, Garth Snow (backup goalie or GM or both), Diepetro (1.5M per year through 2029!, yes 2029 is not a typo), Yashin (just got off their books in 15/16 from a 2007 buyout), Highliner fish sticks logo, Mike Milbury, inability to retain players and they just plain suck.

Please leave Tavares.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Significantly Insignificant on July 27, 2016, 01:01:17 PM
Quote from: cabber24 on July 27, 2016, 12:17:06 PM
Oh he's coming to Toronto, he just doesn't know it yet!

NYI is a gongshow isn't it? Chalres Wang (clueless), Brooklyn, Garth Snow (backup goalie or GM or both), Diepetro (1.5M per year through 2029!, yes 2029 is not a typo), Yashin (just got off their books in 15/16 from a 2007 buyout), Highliner fish sticks logo, Mike Milbury, inability to retain players and they just plain suck.

Please leave Tavares.

Isn't this a verse from "We didn't start the fire" by Billy Joel?
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: jdh1 on July 27, 2016, 02:01:46 PM
Quote from: Zee on July 27, 2016, 10:19:26 AM
Johnny T will regret his statement when he watches the Leafs hoist the Cup in years, 2019, 2020 and 2021.

Now there's faith.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Bender on July 27, 2016, 09:18:24 PM
Will never have faith a young superstar will be signed via free agency.

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Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Nik on July 28, 2016, 12:48:07 AM
Quote from: Bender on July 27, 2016, 09:18:24 PM
Will never have faith a young superstar will be signed via free agency.

It's just so hard to see it happening unless the guy has a real desire to leave. The likelihood of there ever being a huge financial incentive for a superstar to leave is pretty small(the Stamkos deal should probably put to rest the idea that there's huge off-ice earnings anywhere) and teams have huge incentive to not lose a superstar for nothing.

The next interesting thing to see will be what happens with a superstar type player who's in a city that generally isn't seen as a very attractive destination for UFA's. So McDavid or potentially Laine or someone like that. The best UFA's who've left teams over the years left teams like New Jersey, Nashville, Ottawa and Atlanta if you want to count Kovalchuk.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: AvroArrow on November 26, 2017, 09:01:27 PM
We really need to go after Tavares (as a UFA) and worry about the cap later:

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/must-see-tavares-turns-couturier-inside-out-as-he-sets-up-gwg~1268535
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: herman on December 06, 2017, 10:08:20 AM
http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/21588800/nhl-eight-teams-new-york-islanders-center-john-tavares-sign-2018-free-agent-market

I only bring this up because of the really slick programming job they did on the Tavares image as you scroll down the article.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Nik on December 06, 2017, 10:20:28 AM
Quote from: herman on December 06, 2017, 10:08:20 AM
http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/21588800/nhl-eight-teams-new-york-islanders-center-john-tavares-sign-2018-free-agent-market

I only bring this up because of the really slick programming job they did on the Tavares image as you scroll down the article.

It's a minor point because I know it's Wyshinski writing and he's as much about schtick as anything but I wonder why you'd go to the trouble of pointing out his local ties and leave them at Tavares being from "Ontario" as opposed to being from if not the city itself then at least the GTA.

I agree with him that the local media tends to make too much of people from the general area coming back here to play but I think it's pretty safe to say that the media reaction he's talking about doesn't really apply to guys from Thunder Bay or Cornwall or Orleans or Windsor. Even the Doughty connection in London is somewhat tenuous as I don't think people tend to just assume anyone from London is a Leafs fan.

Again, I get Wyshinski being Wyshinski but this makes him sound less weary of the Toronto media's tendencies and more kind of ignorant about them.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: herman on December 06, 2017, 10:44:32 AM
Is Mississauga a known quantity in American sports media?
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Nik on December 06, 2017, 10:52:57 AM
Quote from: herman on December 06, 2017, 10:44:32 AM
Is Mississauga a known quantity in American sports media?

Probably not but I think they understand the general concepts of suburbs to the extent that if he said Tavares was a Toronto product not many people would quibbles over the exact boundaries of who sets property taxes where. Especially when Tavares is a GTHL prospect.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Coco-puffs on December 06, 2017, 11:01:33 AM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on December 06, 2017, 10:52:57 AM
Quote from: herman on December 06, 2017, 10:44:32 AM
Is Mississauga a known quantity in American sports media?

Probably not but I think they understand the general concepts of suburbs to the extent that if he said Tavares was a Toronto product not many people would quibbles over the exact boundaries of who sets property taxes where. Especially when Tavares is a GTHL prospect.

The only people that quibble over someone from Mississauga saying they are from Toronto are smug Toronto-born elitists.  I know all about this, having been born in Mississauga and now living in Toronto.

While I lived in Ottawa, I'd get asked where I was from.  If I thought this person was not from Ontario, I'd say Toronto.  If I thought they were from Ontario, I'd say Mississauga because if I said Toronto, they'd ask where in Toronto and the answer "Mississauga" would be met with "you're not from Toronto!"
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Nik on December 06, 2017, 11:06:10 AM
Quote from: Coco-puffs on December 06, 2017, 11:01:33 AM
The only people that quibble over someone from Mississauga saying they are from Toronto are smug Toronto-born elitists.  I know all about this, having been born in Mississauga and now living in Toronto.

Whereas as a smug Toronto-raised elitist I would say that saying you're from "Toronto" to someone from Toronto in Toronto is probably a little misleading(or at least needlessly vague), saying it to anyone from anywhere else for the purpose of location is ok. Or at least saying you're "from the suburbs of Toronto" is fine.

Also, not that it matters but I think Tavares is really from Oakville despite Mississauga being on his birth certificate.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Frank E on December 06, 2017, 11:08:52 AM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on December 06, 2017, 10:20:28 AM
Quote from: herman on December 06, 2017, 10:08:20 AM
http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/21588800/nhl-eight-teams-new-york-islanders-center-john-tavares-sign-2018-free-agent-market

I only bring this up because of the really slick programming job they did on the Tavares image as you scroll down the article.

It's a minor point because I know it's Wyshinski writing and he's as much about schtick as anything but I wonder why you'd go to the trouble of pointing out his local ties and leave them at Tavares being from "Ontario" as opposed to being from if not the city itself then at least the GTA.

I agree with him that the local media tends to make too much of people from the general area coming back here to play but I think it's pretty safe to say that the media reaction he's talking about doesn't really apply to guys from Thunder Bay or Cornwall or Orleans or Windsor. Even the Doughty connection in London is somewhat tenuous as I don't think people tend to just assume anyone from London is a Leafs fan.

Again, I get Wyshinski being Wyshinski but this makes him sound less weary of the Toronto media's tendencies and more kind of ignorant about them.

I think it's about a 60/40 Leafs to Wings fan ratio in London.*

*Unofficial Frank E estimation
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Coco-puffs on December 06, 2017, 11:22:38 AM
Quote from: Nik the Trik on December 06, 2017, 11:06:10 AM
Quote from: Coco-puffs on December 06, 2017, 11:01:33 AM
The only people that quibble over someone from Mississauga saying they are from Toronto are smug Toronto-born elitists.  I know all about this, having been born in Mississauga and now living in Toronto.

Whereas as a smug Toronto-raised elitist I would say that saying you're from "Toronto" to someone from Toronto in Toronto is probably a little misleading(or at least needlessly vague), saying it to anyone from anywhere else for the purpose of location is ok. Or at least saying you're "from the suburbs of Toronto" is fine.

Also, not that it matters but I think Tavares is really from Oakville despite Mississauga being on his birth certificate.

Oh, I totally agree.  I turn smug-toronto-based elitist when I ask people that in Toronto as well.  :P

Also, I was born at Etobicoke General so technically speaking, I was born in (amalgamated) Toronto despite never living there until I turned 30.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Nik on December 06, 2017, 11:25:34 AM
Quote from: Frank E on December 06, 2017, 11:08:52 AM
I think it's about a 60/40 Leafs to Wings fan ratio in London.*

*Unofficial Frank E estimation

Interesting. From my time there I'd have said something close but more along the lines of 40% Leafs/40% Wings/20% miscellaneous. Of course my time there started when Thornton was rising to promise and as a local product there were quite a few Bruins fans popping up.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Nik on December 06, 2017, 11:34:08 AM
Quote from: Coco-puffs on December 06, 2017, 11:22:38 AM
Oh, I totally agree.  I turn smug-toronto-based elitist when I ask people that in Toronto as well.  :P

Also, I was born at Etobicoke General so technically speaking, I was born in (amalgamated) Toronto despite never living there until I turned 30.

Coco, I will let you and the board in on a little secret which is my eternal shame. My mother's obstetrician relocated shortly before I was born but because she was still his patient my parents decided to drive from Toronto to where his new practice was when my mother went into labour. As a result, I was born at....McMaster.

So despite living in Toronto proper since I was three days old and growing up to be one of the city's smuggest elitists I have to say "Toronto-raised" instead of born. I would be lying if I said I don't still secretly resent my parents for the H-word being on my birth certificate.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: herman on December 06, 2017, 11:35:14 AM
Quote from: Coco-puffs on December 06, 2017, 11:22:38 AM
Also, I was born at Etobicoke General so technically speaking, I was born in (amalgamated) Toronto despite never living there until I turned 30.

Technically speaking, unless you were born at Etobicoke General after 1998, you were born outside Toronto. And since you've turned 30, that's an impossible mathematical barrier to overcome.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Coco-puffs on December 06, 2017, 11:43:41 AM
Quote from: herman on December 06, 2017, 11:35:14 AM
Quote from: Coco-puffs on December 06, 2017, 11:22:38 AM
Also, I was born at Etobicoke General so technically speaking, I was born in (amalgamated) Toronto despite never living there until I turned 30.

Technically speaking, unless you were born at Etobicoke General after 1998, you were born outside Toronto. And since you've turned 30, that's an impossible mathematical barrier to overcome.

LOL.  Yes, but does someone born 30+ years ago in East York say they aren't technically born in Toronto?
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: herman on December 06, 2017, 11:48:49 AM
Quote from: Coco-puffs on December 06, 2017, 11:43:41 AM
LOL.  Yes, but does someone born 30+ years ago in East York say they aren't technically born in Toronto?

I wouldn't know, because I was born in Toronto (WCH)  :P
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Highlander on December 13, 2017, 12:00:33 PM
Quote from: herman on December 06, 2017, 11:48:49 AM
Quote from: Coco-puffs on December 06, 2017, 11:43:41 AM
LOL.  Yes, but does someone born 30+ years ago in East York say they aren't technically born in Toronto?

I wouldn't know, because I was born in Toronto (WCH)  :P
Me to Herman, I was born in a room that was fixed up for a visit from Princess Margeret. She was in it the day before my carcass arrived.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Kaberle15 on June 24, 2018, 04:33:48 PM
He decided to listen to 5 teams before make a decision to hit or not free agency.

Leafs are one of this teams, with 23mi on cap space.

Will he pull a Stamkos and stay with the Isles (now with Lou and Trotz) ?

Anyway... 7 days.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: azzurri63 on June 24, 2018, 05:03:22 PM
You know I'm not holding my breath for Tavares to sign with us. I think the one thing that hurts us in this situation is the media and amount of it that athletes on the Habs or the Leafs have to deal with. You're being watched every single minute of the day. Interviews galore, scrutiny the list goes on. What I will say is that if I were an athlete as in Tavares and I had a situation to come to a good young team with a chance to bring Lord Stanley to Toronto. I wouldn't hesitate at that opportunity. I just couldn't imagine that possible feeling of hoisting a Cup possibly at the ACC or if not just bringing the Cup to Toronto. The city would go absolutely nuts. That in itself and the drought of 50+ years would be enough incentive for me as a free agent to sign in Toronto. Tavares to me I don't think would like the spotlight. Let's home I'm wrong and he signs with us. We'd have the best center corps in the league.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Zee on June 24, 2018, 05:17:11 PM
I hope he signs, but I'm not expecting him to.  Will be really shocked if he's a Leaf next week.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Bill_Berg_is_sad on June 24, 2018, 05:18:56 PM
It's hard to know what people if you're not on the inside. My best guess at odds of him signing in Toronto are I dunno. He may be thinking 0, 50/50, or 100. Or anywhere in between. And they may change by the 1st.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Zee on June 24, 2018, 06:30:54 PM
Quote from: Bill_Berg on June 24, 2018, 05:18:56 PM
It's hard to know what people if you're not on the inside. My best guess at odds of him signing in Toronto are I dunno. He may be thinking 0, 50/50, or 100. Or anywhere in between. And they may change by the 1st.
Just going by past experience with huge stars they rarely switch teams in UFA.  Not sure why, especially considering how bad the Islanders have been during his 8-9 seasons.  Kind of like when Nash was a UFA in Columbus, team was bad but he still stayed. Stamkos at least you could understand because Tampa was and is a contender.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: hockeyfan1 on June 24, 2018, 06:43:31 PM
If money is not the issue for Tavares, but rather,  winning a championship and finishing his career a winner, then he would give  serious consideration to a potential contender on the cusp of greatness such as the Leafs.

Now with Lamoriello and Trotz at the Islanders helm, and promising to build a success on the Island, it may just be enticing for Tavares to want to be a part of that, stay put, put down some roots, and enjoy the rest of his hockey years there.

I'm only hedging my bets that Johnny T. signing with the Leafs is 50/50 at best. A part of me wants to say it's sure fire, but hindsight doesn't jibe with it.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Joe on June 24, 2018, 08:31:08 PM
Quote from: hockeyfan1 on June 24, 2018, 06:43:31 PM

A part of me wants to say it's sure fire, but hindsight doesn't jibe with it.

This is the greatest quote. I want this on my tombstone

Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Nik on June 25, 2018, 05:39:17 AM
Quote from: Zee on June 24, 2018, 06:30:54 PMJust going by past experience with huge stars they rarely switch teams in UFA.  Not sure why, especially considering how bad the Islanders have been during his 8-9 seasons.  Kind of like when Nash was a UFA in Columbus, team was bad but he still stayed. Stamkos at least you could understand because Tampa was and is a contender.

I guess the key to understanding this is getting that there are lots of factors that go into these decisions as opposed to thinking that how good the team you're signing with is the only factor.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Kaberle15 on June 25, 2018, 07:07:08 PM
Eklund (I know it did surprised me too), came up with a decent idea.

Leafs can sign him for a 1 year deal with tons of money and right after they can start to work on a deal to resign him for 8 years.

Sure they will have to deal with our Big 3 next season too but that could work. Nylander this season and they will work the magic for next season on a cup winning hangover.

If Lou was still the Leafs GM I would be confident that they would pull a move like that. Let's see what Divas Learned...
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: princedpw on June 25, 2018, 07:24:38 PM
Quote from: Kaberle15 on June 25, 2018, 07:07:08 PM
Eklund (I know it did surprised me too), came up with a decent idea.

Leafs can sign him for a 1 year deal with tons of money and right after they can start to work on a deal to resign him for 8 years.

Sure they will have to deal with our Big 3 next season too but that could work. Nylander this season and they will work the magic for next season on a cup winning hangover.

If Lou was still the Leafs GM I would be confident that they would pull a move like that. Let's see what Divas Learned...

He can't sign the 2nd deal until Jan 1. Very few players want to take the risk of long term injury, so this is a very rare thing to do (Hossa being the only exception I know of).
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Zee on June 25, 2018, 08:09:17 PM
Quote from: Kaberle15 on June 25, 2018, 07:07:08 PM
Eklund (I know it did surprised me too), came up with a decent idea.

Leafs can sign him for a 1 year deal with tons of money and right after they can start to work on a deal to resign him for 8 years.

Sure they will have to deal with our Big 3 next season too but that could work. Nylander this season and they will work the magic for next season on a cup winning hangover.

If Lou was still the Leafs GM I would be confident that they would pull a move like that. Let's see what Divas Learned...
I believe Frank Seravalli proposed this kind of approach, Eklund is "borrowing". Also you can't talk about the deal like that or it's cap circumventing. You can sign him to a1 year deal but can't offer the standing 8 deal saying "don't worry Jan 1, we'll sign you *wink wink*
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: bustaheims on June 25, 2018, 08:10:14 PM
A) Eklund didn't come up with that idea. It's something that's been floated around for multiple players by multiple sources.

B) The possibility of it actually happening has been thoroughly discussed in this forum on a number of occasions - and it's widely accepted that it's extremely unlikely a player of Tavares' stature would go for the risk that comes with a one year deal.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: bustaheims on June 25, 2018, 08:11:22 PM
Quote from: princedpw on June 25, 2018, 07:24:38 PM
He can't sign the 2nd deal until Jan 1. Very few players want to take the risk of long term injury, so this is a very rare thing to do (Hossa being the only exception I know of).

Hossa also only did it because he thought he would win a Cup in Detroit, and then sign a long-term deal somewhere he wanted to be long-term. It wasn't a backdoor deal like is being suggested here.
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Zee on January 18, 2019, 10:53:29 AM
Quote from: Zee on June 30, 2016, 09:35:33 AM
So Matthews 1C, Tavares 2C Kadri 3C, looks pretty good to me

Thanks for the bump of this thread, I forgot we started talking about this way back in 2016 LOL. Quoting my own post, can't believe it came to pass 2 years later.  :D
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: Guilt Trip on January 18, 2019, 04:29:37 PM
Quote from: Zee on January 18, 2019, 10:53:29 AM
Quote from: Zee on June 30, 2016, 09:35:33 AM
So Matthews 1C, Tavares 2C Kadri 3C, looks pretty good to me

Thanks for the bump of this thread, I forgot we started talking about this way back in 2016 LOL. Quoting my own post, can't believe it came to pass 2 years later.  :D
Good call!!
Title: Re: John Tavares a Leaf in 2018?
Post by: AvroArrow on January 18, 2019, 07:21:50 PM
Quote from: CarltonTheBear on February 18, 2016, 10:49:28 AM
My dad told me he's signing with the Leafs guys, book it.

Does your dad have any good stock picks, or maybe some lottery numbers?