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MLB Trade Deadline

The Jays have apparently agreed to a deal for Melvin Upton that will send a player from their A league team to the Pads, who will be covering a big chunk of Upton's salary.
 
bustaheims said:
The Jays have apparently agreed to a deal for Melvin Upton that will send a player from their A league team to the Pads, who will be covering a big chunk of Upton's salary.
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I was curious about the name change.
http://www.ajc.com/news/sports/baseball/its-official-bj-is-now-melvin-upton-jr/nkGnC/
 
Nik the Trik said:
I like this deal if it means Bautista to DH
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It certainly would provide the team with a little more depth/flexibility in that regard. Bautista could also probably get into the rotation at 1B. Also could lead to Pillar becoming more of a defensive replacement type, which is less good.
 
I'm not 100% sold on the need to bring in a guy like Upton. I assume it means more DHing for Bautista and more platoon options in the outfield in general, which it good, but what will the cost be. Considering I'd like to see the team add pitching, I hope they're not spending on Upton and then miss out on pitching as a result.

Word is the Padres will be paying for much of Upton's contract, meaning the price will be higher for the Jays to get him.
 
Bill_Berg said:
I'm not 100% sold on the need to bring in a guy like Upton. I assume it means more DHing for Bautista and more platoon options in the outfield in general, which it good, but what will the cost be. Considering I'd like to see the team add pitching, I hope they're not spending on Upton and then miss out on pitching as a result.

Word is the Padres will be paying for much of Upton's contract, meaning the price will be higher for the Jays to get him.
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The cost is 19 year old pitching prospect Hansel Rodriguez. So, not an overwhelmingly high price by any means. Rodriguez has some intriguing potential, but he's nowhere near MLB ready.
 
Bill_Berg said:
I'm not 100% sold on the need to bring in a guy like Upton. I assume it means more DHing for Bautista and more platoon options in the outfield in general, which it good, but what will the cost be. Considering I'd like to see the team add pitching, I hope they're not spending on Upton and then miss out on pitching as a result.

Word is the Padres will be paying for much of Upton's contract, meaning the price will be higher for the Jays to get him.
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The prospect cost is Hansel Rodriguez. RHP that the Blue Jays signed as a 16 year old in 2014.
 
Bill_Berg said:
I'm not 100% sold on the need to bring in a guy like Upton. I assume it means more DHing for Bautista and more platoon options in the outfield in general, which it good, but what will the cost be. Considering I'd like to see the team add pitching, I hope they're not spending on Upton and then miss out on pitching as a result.

Word is the Padres will be paying for much of Upton's contract, meaning the price will be higher for the Jays to get him.
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This is a solid move and I don't think it is taking away from acquiring pitching. Pitching is a huge premium at this deadline and it is going to take a lot to get one. The Red Sox gave up their top pitching prospect to obtain Pomeranz. I honestly don't know if the Jays have enough depth right now to get pitching of any substance.
 
bustaheims said:
Nik the Trik said:
I like this deal if it means Bautista to DH
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It certainly would provide the team with a little more depth/flexibility in that regard. Bautista could also probably get into the rotation at 1B. Also could lead to Pillar becoming more of a defensive replacement type, which is less good.
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Pillar is an everyday player, he's proven that.
 
Ya I'm okay with giving up Rodriguez, especially with the Padres eating all that money.

Still need pitching though. If starters are too expensive, then leave Sanchez in the rotation and look for a solid reliever.
 
Bill_Berg said:
Ya I'm okay with giving up Rodriguez, especially with the Padres eating all that money.

Still need pitching though. If starters are too expensive, then leave Sanchez in the rotation and look for a solid reliever.
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I agree. At this point, you can't move Sanchez to the bullpen. There is CY Young talk starting around Sanchez. I think a reliever can be had for cheap and that would solidify the bullpen for the stretch run. It would also help if Cecil returned to form too.
 
Joe S. said:
Pillar is an everyday player, he's proven that.
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Defensively, absolutely. At the plate, not so much. The Jays can definitely manage with his below average bat, but I can definitely see Gibbons not feeling the same way.
 
bustaheims said:
Joe S. said:
Pillar is an everyday player, he's proven that.
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Defensively, absolutely. At the plate, not so much. The Jays can definitely manage with his below average bat, but I can definitely see Gibbons not feeling the same way.
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Pillar is batting .265 ops of .686 this season, Upton is batting .256 with an ops of .743. Upton may be an upgrade offensively, but not a significant one.
 
Bill_Berg said:
bustaheims said:
Joe S. said:
Pillar is an everyday player, he's proven that.
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Defensively, absolutely. At the plate, not so much. The Jays can definitely manage with his below average bat, but I can definitely see Gibbons not feeling the same way.
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Pillar is batting .265 ops of .686 this season, Upton is batting .256 with an ops of .743. Upton may be an upgrade offensively, but not a significant one.
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Except Upton is taking Smoak's bat  out of the lineup and Bautista's fielding out of the lineup. In that regard, it is an upgrade all around.
 
TimKerr said:
Bill_Berg said:
bustaheims said:
Joe S. said:
Pillar is an everyday player, he's proven that.
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Defensively, absolutely. At the plate, not so much. The Jays can definitely manage with his below average bat, but I can definitely see Gibbons not feeling the same way.
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Pillar is batting .265 ops of .686 this season, Upton is batting .256 with an ops of .743. Upton may be an upgrade offensively, but not a significant one.
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Except Upton is taking Smoak's bat  out of the lineup and Bautista's fielding out of the lineup. In that regard, it is an upgrade all around.
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Most of the time that till be true, but I was just talking in the context of Pillar being an everyday player.
 
Bill_Berg said:
Pillar is batting .265 ops of .686 this season, Upton is batting .256 with an ops of .743. Upton may be an upgrade offensively, but not a significant one.
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Two things:

1. The problem with OPS is that it roughly equates a point of SLG with a point of OBP when most stat guys will say a point of OBP is worth 2-4 points of SLG. Upton's career OBP is 20 points higher than Pillar's which is not insignificant.

2. San Diego is a very tough hitter's park and Toronto a pretty good one. If you look at their road numbers this year their slash lines are:

Pillar .218/.244/.321 for an OPS of .565

Upton .262/.299/.464 for an OPS of .763
 
This was a very shrewd move by the Jays but it's a very good one. Now they just need a couple of relievers and they are all set. If they can parlay Dalton Pompey into a starter I am fine with that.
 
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