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Kadri suspended 4 games

I think it may be time to part ways with Kadri.

Lou better be in on Matt Duchene if the Avs shop him.

I'd give up Kadri + to acquire Matt.

I'm just not sure what the + should be.

Kadri and Gardiner, as I've seen suggested elsewhere, is a tad too much IMHO.

Thoughts?
 
My thoughts are as follows, in most likely to least likely events:
If we miss both Matthews and Stamkos, we sign Kadri to a 4-5 yr deal for something like 5ish M AAV. Shop Bozak for anything.

If we get Matthews OR Stamkos, we shop Bozak and Kadri targeting a reasonable return and whoever brings back something above the threshold, that guy goes and the other might stay.

If we draft Matthews AND sign Stamkos, then we shop both Bozak and Kadri for anyone that gives up either 3rd/1st rd picks (respectively) and/or +D prospects.
 
Here we go again?speaking of doing the very thing that got is into this mess, trading away a 1st (7th) round pick just as he is coming into his prime producing years. Kadri plays with a lot of heart and yes grit and I think plays the way Babcock likes. Obviously Kadri is getting under the skin of other teams and along with Komarov are exactly the kind of players you want on your team.
Sort of like Kenny the Rat back in the Flyers glory days.
 
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He said some stuff about the suspension, but it's all cliche, so no one cares.
 
Yes Nasty and not nice but others will be looking over their shoulders to see where Amazin Nazem is at all times.
 
Highlander said:
Here we go again?speaking of doing the very thing that got is into this mess, trading away a 1st (7th) round pick just as he is coming into his prime producing years. Kadri plays with a lot of heart and yes grit and I think plays the way Babcock likes. Obviously Kadri is getting under the skin of other teams and along with Komarov are exactly the kind of players you want on your team.
Sort of like Kenny the Rat back in the Flyers glory days.
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Well, we'll see just what Management thinks about Kadri and his antics.  If they don't appreciate his gritty, but sometimes stupid actions on the ice, I can see them trading him if the return makes the team better in the short, and, long term.

Kadri needs to grow up and stop acting like a selfish little prick IMHO.  His actions on the ice, including getting suspensions, hurts the team more than it helps.

Having said the above, I'm only interested in having him traded if, and that's a big if, his return makes the team better.  If it's simply a dump him type of return, then, I'd prefer that they kept him and worked on his attitude and actions on the ice.  Yes, he has to play gritty to be effective, but, he has to keep it within the rules.
 
Al14 said:
His actions on the ice, including getting suspensions, hurts the team more than it helps.
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Not that he was trying to get suspended, but this suspension may actually have been the best thing that could have happened to this team. And maybe it's naive of me to say that he might have reacted differently if the team were playing games that matter, but I'd still like to think that'd be the case.

As for his other actions on the ice... I mean we can debate whether or not Kadri should be "embellishing" but there's no denying that those actions have actually helped the team much more than hurt.
 
Al14 said:
Highlander said:
Here we go again?speaking of doing the very thing that got is into this mess, trading away a 1st (7th) round pick just as he is coming into his prime producing years. Kadri plays with a lot of heart and yes grit and I think plays the way Babcock likes. Obviously Kadri is getting under the skin of other teams and along with Komarov are exactly the kind of players you want on your team.
Sort of like Kenny the Rat back in the Flyers glory days.
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Well, we'll see just what Management thinks about Kadri and his antics.  If they don't appreciate his gritty, but sometimes stupid actions on the ice, I can see them trading him if the return makes the team better in the short, and, long term.

Kadri needs to grow up and stop acting like a selfish little prick IMHO.  His actions on the ice, including getting suspensions, hurts the team more than it helps.

Having said the above, I'm only interested in having him traded if, and that's a big if, his return makes the team better.  If it's simply a dump him type of return, then, I'd prefer that they kept him and worked on his attitude and actions on the ice.  Yes, he has to play gritty to be effective, but, he has to keep it within the rules.
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http://www.si.com/vault/1993/05/31/128677/the-rink-rat-torontos-hard-bitten-doug-gilmour-has-sunk-his-fangs-into-the-kings-on-offense-as-well-as-defense

"Don't bet on it. "When a guy takes a run at me, it's like a wake-up call," says Gilmour. "You've got to have a mean side. You've got to say, 'Hey, they're coming at me, I'm going to beat 'em.' ""

and

"McSorley may not believe it, but Gilmour's fuse isn't nearly as short as it used to be. Age and the experience that comes with having to cope with a host of off-the-ice difficulties have mellowed him."

Doug Gilmour wasn't always a choir boy on the ice either.  Different time, but I think that if Gilmour played in todays NHL, he might have been suspended a couple of times as well.
 
Highlander said:
Why not? Apples and Oranges, people love to compare em!
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While a direct comparison is impossible due to different era's, similar situations can arise.  It's like comparing Steen and Kadri. Are the the same player?  No.  Were they in similar situations at one point with the Leafs?  Kinda.  I think Steen fell further down on the disappointment list than Kadri, but that was more to do with how Steen was being used by Ron Wilson, than what Steen was really doing. 

When Gilmour first came in to the league, he was known as being an offensively gifted player at the OHL level.  The Blues told him to play defense over and over again.  Don't worry about offense.  Don't worry about getting points.  Worry about stopping the best players on the other team.  Stop them from getting points.  In his early years in St. Louis, Gilmour earned a bit of a reputation as being a fiery competitor that would do anything to take the player that he was assigned to on the other team off his game.  Now diving wasn't prevalent in Gilmour's era.  But he still earned a bit of a reputation as being a dirty player.  A guy who would stick you when the ref wasn't looking sort of player.

Where I draw the comparison is in the following way:

1.  Kadri was a highly offensively gifted player in Junior
2.  Kadri has been asked to shadow the other teams top line and play stellar defense against them.
3.  Kadri is showing that he is trying to take the other teams players off there game by trying to get under there skin

These three points lead me to my comparison to Gilmour.

However, really, the point that I was trying to make on Kadri was this:

He isn't a finished product.

Don't look at the way that he plays today and say "He's always going to be that way", because I think that he has shown, over the course of his short career, that he has a willingness to do what the coach asks him to do for the betterment of the team.  Does he still have some rough edges?  You bet.  Do I think they get ironed out as he becomes more mature.  Also you bet. 

At the end of the day though, I do think Kadri will probably be dealt.  With the current management team though, I think they will get back more than Lee Stempniak (even without having to throw in Frank Corrado).
 
Regardless if Kadri is a Cranberry, I want him on my team. Don't deal your first round picks before they bloom and Kadri is still blooming.
 
Highlander said:
Regardless if Kadri is a Cranberry, I want him on my team. Don't deal your first round picks before they bloom and Kadri is still blooming.
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Blooming like a rose, with plenty of thorns!  ;)
 
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