Game 39: Rangers @ Leafs - Apr. 8, 7:00pm - Sportsnet, Fan 590

[Boston Leaf]

Can Gardiner be sent to the Marlies on a conditioning stint?

No I hear dhe has to pass through waivers

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Can Gardiner be sent to the Marlies on a conditioning stint?

No I hear dhe has to pass through waivers

Yeah I know if he is sent down he has to clear waivers, but in the last CBA I'm pretty sure there was an option to send a player to the AHL for a short conditioning stint(14 days?) without waivers coming in to effect.

I'm curious if that option is still available or if its only available under a certain set of circumstances.

 

[Bender]

I am very happy the Leafs look like they're going to make the playoffs this year, but the way they've done it doesn't fill me with confidence for the playoffs, or inspiration for seasons to follow. I would like to see more than a handful of games where the Leafs dictate the play from start to finish. Only when the Leafs can do that consistently will I consider them a good team.

Consistently dictating the play from start to finish isn't the mark of a good team, it's the mark of an unquestionably elite team.  It's a standard that almost no NHL team can and does achieve.  Your expectations for the team are lofty and a worthwhile standard for the team to strive for, but I think you're guaranteed to be disappointed for a very long time.

I'd also like to ask for the definition of "good" team. If a good team is one that makes the playoffs then, so far, the Leafs are a good team. If your argument is good teams create their own chances and the Leafs have not, well I frankly don't know how you can prove your point and make any Messier-esque guarantees that the Leafs wouldn't make the playoffs over an 82 game season based on  how they've played currently. Your argument is too circular and subjective for it to be convincing. The general consensus I feel is if the Leafs continue to play the way they have then they will make the playoffs - most believe this based not only on observation but on statistical analysis as well.

If you're trying to argue that the Leafs are playing a 48 game style that won't fly in an 82 game season because other teams are taking more chances than usual then, well, isn't that an argument you can make against pretty much EVERY team since they're all playing a 48 game season, and therefore probably also a 48 game style?

I don't know about any of that, but this is why I have thought it would be less likely in an 82 game season.  48 games leaves less time to regress to the mean.

Whereas more casual observers see a team that is seventh in goals per game and has cut its goals against dramatically from last season, the statistically inclined point to the fact the Leafs are outshot more heavily than all but one other NHL team (Edmonton Oilers) and have a shooting percentage that?s abnormally high (10.3 per cent at even strength).

Both are considered indicators a team?s record will not hold up long-term.

?It?s a lot more likely the Leafs have been on an unsustainable hot streak than that this team is one of the best collection of snipers in recent years,? Tulsky explained of why shooting percentage can matter. ?While anything could happen over the short time span left in the season, it?s reasonable to expect that their offence will fall off a bit and their results will fade with it.

?Last year, they were riding a shooting percentage that was a bit high, but the team was only outshot by a little. This year, they are getting much more badly outshot and are relying much more heavily on their hot shooting to keep them in it.?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/leafs-beat/statistician-forecasts-tougher-second-half-for-resurgent-maple-leafs/article9652448/

At the same time my argument would be that they're all playing under the same conditions, so this argument can be made for many, many other teams in the league.

I don't see a problem with riding a hot streak, but this team seems to be able to roll with the punches through adversity better than previous years. If the team doesn't adapt to its circumstances then it's a bad team.

 

[Arn]

Can Gardiner be sent to the Marlies on a conditioning stint?

No I hear dhe has to pass through waivers

Yeah I know if he is sent down he has to clear waivers, but in the last CBA I'm pretty sure there was an option to send a player to the AHL for a short conditioning stint(14 days?) without waivers coming in to effect.

I'm curious if that option is still available or if its only available under a certain set of circumstances.

Was it not only as a recovery from injury?

 

[Zee]

Can Gardiner be sent to the Marlies on a conditioning stint?

No I hear dhe has to pass through waivers

Yeah I know if he is sent down he has to clear waivers, but in the last CBA I'm pretty sure there was an option to send a player to the AHL for a short conditioning stint(14 days?) without waivers coming in to effect.

I'm curious if that option is still available or if its only available under a certain set of circumstances.

Was it not only as a recovery from injury?

I remember them doing this with a player fairly recently (well in the last few seasons) but I can't for the life of me remember who it was.  Someone who had sat out a bunch of games and then was sent for a conditioning stint in the minors.

Edit: I think it was Gustavsson, but then he was in and out with the heart problems so maybe it was because of injury.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Can Gardiner be sent to the Marlies on a conditioning stint?

No I hear dhe has to pass through waivers

Yeah I know if he is sent down he has to clear waivers, but in the last CBA I'm pretty sure there was an option to send a player to the AHL for a short conditioning stint(14 days?) without waivers coming in to effect.

I'm curious if that option is still available or if its only available under a certain set of circumstances.

Was it not only as a recovery from injury?

I remember them doing this with a player fairly recently (well in the last few seasons) but I can't for the life of me remember who it was.  Someone who had sat out a bunch of games and then was sent for a conditioning stint in the minors.

Edit: I think it was Gustavsson, but then he was in and out with the heart problems so maybe it was because of injury.

Gustavsson

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

I am very happy the Leafs look like they're going to make the playoffs this year, but the way they've done it doesn't fill me with confidence for the playoffs, or inspiration for seasons to follow. I would like to see more than a handful of games where the Leafs dictate the play from start to finish. Only when the Leafs can do that consistently will I consider them a good team.

Consistently dictating the play from start to finish isn't the mark of a good team, it's the mark of an unquestionably elite team.  It's a standard that almost no NHL team can and does achieve.  Your expectations for the team are lofty and a worthwhile standard for the team to strive for, but I think you're guaranteed to be disappointed for a very long time.

I'd also like to ask for the definition of "good" team. If a good team is one that makes the playoffs then, so far, the Leafs are a good team. If your argument is good teams create their own chances and the Leafs have not, well I frankly don't know how you can prove your point and make any Messier-esque guarantees that the Leafs wouldn't make the playoffs over an 82 game season based on  how they've played currently. Your argument is too circular and subjective for it to be convincing. The general consensus I feel is if the Leafs continue to play the way they have then they will make the playoffs - most believe this based not only on observation but on statistical analysis as well.

If you're trying to argue that the Leafs are playing a 48 game style that won't fly in an 82 game season because other teams are taking more chances than usual then, well, isn't that an argument you can make against pretty much EVERY team since they're all playing a 48 game season, and therefore probably also a 48 game style?

You're talking to him, not me.... right?