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Federal Election 2019

Bullfrog said:
Major gains by the BQ having a major impact on the results.

It is going to be very frustrating as a NDP voter to see a party that gets 1/3rd of their votes have more MPs and 30+ more than the Greens who also outpoll them.

Maybe this result can kick Trudeau into real election reform.
 
https://globalnews.ca/news/6061819/student-vote-results-justin-trudeau/

Students vote in the Liberals with the NDP being the opposition with 98 seats!
 
Well, one nice thing to say about the Conservatives tonight is their candidate beat Maxime Bernier.
 
Nik Bethune said:
Bullfrog said:
Major gains by the BQ having a major impact on the results.

It is going to be very frustrating as a NDP voter to see a party that gets 1/3rd of their votes have more MPs and 30+ more than the Greens who also outpoll them.

Maybe this result can kick Trudeau into real election reform.

You're an NDP guy?  That explains how, despite our occasional lovers' spats, deep down I love you.

Although I could go for the Greens.  (Not here in the States, mind you.)

So, looking at the ON results maps, the northern areas are NDP/Green-ish?  Interesting.
 
Nik Bethune said:
Bullfrog said:
Major gains by the BQ having a major impact on the results.

It is going to be very frustrating as a NDP voter to see a party that gets 1/3rd of their votes have more MPs and 30+ more than the Greens who also outpoll them.

Maybe this result can kick Trudeau into real election reform.

This is true but it?s possible the NDP side with the Liberals creating a coalition government that will gain some modicum of power. Probably will be able to attain some meaningful concessions.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
So, looking at the ON results maps, the northern areas are NDP/Green-ish?  Interesting.

The NDP started out as a Prairie/Farmer's party and they do have a pretty good rural/agrarian support as well as good support among indigenous voters.
 
Nik Bethune said:
L K said:
Jody Wilson-Raybauld is looking like she will win as an Independent.

Some justice there, pardon the pun.

If Trudeau can't make this minority work I'd be really interested in seeing her run for the leadership if she even wanted to go back in the fold.
 
Dappleganger said:
This is true but it?s possible the NDP side with the Liberals creating a coalition government that will gain some modicum of power. Probably will be able to attain some meaningful concessions.

Unfortunately a coalition doesn't make a lot of sense right now. The Liberals won enough seats that they can just form a government and negotiate with multiple parties to pass legislation as it's needed. Want a new pipeline? Ask the Tories for support. Better stuff for Quebec? Bribe the Bloc. Progressive Social agenda? The NDP will vote for it.
 
The Bloc obtaining more seats than the NDP.  Don?t think anyone in this country is too happy about that.  Blanchet in his speech mentioned the Quebec Nation, hints of separatist talk if it could be interpreted that way.

That blackface/brownface scandal was truly the last straw for Justin Trudeau.  It crystallized people?s opinion of him no matter how he explained it.  In Alberta & the prairies, they were probably going to vote Conservative anyways, but that scandal furthered the nail in the coffin, so to speak.

According to the media, no one is happy with the new political map.  Trepidation is more like it at the moment.

At least, Justin Trudeau is still our PM, albeit in a minority government.  Looks like it?s time to roll up the sleeves and tackle the outstanding issues & grievances a Mari Usque ad Mare.

Story:
https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/2019/10/21/justin-trudeau-returned-to-power-with-minority-government.html

https://theconversation.com/justin-trudeaus-political-setback-a-surprise-to-the-world-but-not-to-canada-125422
 
The rise of the Bkoc Quebecois:  the how and the why:

For the first time in recent history, according to Scotiabank, Quebec's economy will lead the country in GDP growth this year.

There are construction cranes not just in Montreal, but across the province. Mid-sized cities ? like Trois-Rivi?res, Sherbrooke and Drummondville ? are growing and adapting to the opportunities of a high-tech economy.

Along their main streets, help-wanted signs can be spotted in just about every other storefront window.

This is a relatively new experience in a province where for years a sluggish economy was understood to be the byproduct of continuous referendum uncertainty.

But the long-term prospects of this growth face significant hurdles thanks to an aging population that is leaving the workforce in droves.

Economists, business lobbies and mayors are pleading for more workers, for immigrants. But these pleas confront more deeply embedded concerns: Will they speak French? Will they adopt our values?

The perception among many Quebecers ? especially those older and living outside of Montreal ? is that the Trudeau government was deaf to these concerns.

As have similar anxieties elsewhere in the world, in Quebec they have been channeled into nationalism. That is what the Bloc is offering voters.


Story:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/why-bloc-qu-b-cois-141134493.html
 
I'm kind of ok with a minority government. I don't know why so many political analysts are calling so much doom and gloom here. We've always been a fairly divided country and whether we throw it behind one party or multiple parties to me is kind of missing the mark. You can win a majority government with 38.5% of the popular vote - that doesn't make me think the country is any less divided, and if we had proportional representation we'd see political divides more accurately I think. The system really skews your view of the actual opinions of voters imo.
 
Bender said:
I'm kind of ok with a minority government. I don't know why so many political analysts are calling so much doom and gloom here. We've always been a fairly divided country and whether we throw it behind one party or multiple parties to me is kind of missing the mark. You can win a majority government with 38.5% of the popular vote - that doesn't make me think the country is any less divided, and if we had proportional representation we'd see political divides more accurately I think. The system really skews your view of the actual opinions of voters imo.

I think it's less about it being a minority government and more about the regional divisions. The re-emergence of the Bloc and the Conservatives dominating in certain provinces to an extent like this is going to make governing difficult.

That said, I think what we saw last night is a pretty good sign that if the Conservatives ever want to form another government they have to do better at appealing to people who care about more than pipelines. If they can come back with a more moderate, 21st century sort of approach it will be a real positive for our Democracy.
 
One thing I really don't get though is why there's all this focus on the Leaders when it really seems to me like was an election about policy. Admittedly, at a point where the Conservatives probably wanted to distance themselves from Trump/Ford-esque conservatism being led by a guy with an American passport who fudged his resume didn't help but I still think what sunk them is their lack of a clear message.

Obviously there was a massive problem for the Conservatives in that the traditional measurements of the economy that they like to use(Stock Market, GDP, Unemployment Rate) are actually doing very well right now so they couldn't really paint Trudeau as having wrecked the economy. They tried to make a big deal about deficit spending but in a country where most people have mortgages and student loans, it's pretty tough to tell people that spending money you don't have adds up to fiscal irresponsibility.

So what were they left with? Vague pledges to lower taxes and cut spending, mainly. Now, I understand that modern Conservative economic theory relies on the pillars of Lower Taxes and Less Spending but even then they muddled on messages. When the NDP and Liberals say they'll cut my phone bill, I get that. Every Conservative ad I saw seemed to talk about various tax credits and assorted esoterica within the tax code which may very well have lowered some people's end of year tab but honestly, I didn't even know if any of it would have applied to me as I don't do my own taxes.

Then there's the spending. I know conservatives like to paint themselves as the grown-ups making tough choices and being honest with people vs. progressives and their fanciful promises but that didn't come through at all either. We saw it Ontario where Ford ran on cutting unspecified "waste" but when elected all of a sudden "waste" meant higher class sizes in schools and less money for disabled people. I think most voters understand that if you're going to cut taxes while caring about the deficit it means spending cuts and those spending cuts have to come from somewhere. I get that actually detailing what money you're cutting isn't popular but, well, if you're going to run on fiscal conservatism you need to be upfront about it.

Again, this is an issue where Progressives, even if you disagree with them, have a much clearer message. Deficit Spending? Acceptable. How are you going to finance new Pharma or Dental Care programs? Higher taxes on Businesses and the Wealthy.

Throw in a lack of actual measurable policy on an issue like Climate Change, which is a major and growing concern for Canadians, and I just don't even know what this election was for for the Conservatives. 
 
hockeyfan1 said:
The rise of the Bkoc Quebecois:  the how and the why:

For the first time in recent history, according to Scotiabank, Quebec's economy will lead the country in GDP growth this year.

There are construction cranes not just in Montreal, but across the province. Mid-sized cities ? like Trois-Rivi?res, Sherbrooke and Drummondville ? are growing and adapting to the opportunities of a high-tech economy.

Along their main streets, help-wanted signs can be spotted in just about every other storefront window.

This is a relatively new experience in a province where for years a sluggish economy was understood to be the byproduct of continuous referendum uncertainty.

But the long-term prospects of this growth face significant hurdles thanks to an aging population that is leaving the workforce in droves.

Economists, business lobbies and mayors are pleading for more workers, for immigrants. But these pleas confront more deeply embedded concerns: Will they speak French? Will they adopt our values?

The perception among many Quebecers ? especially those older and living outside of Montreal ? is that the Trudeau government was deaf to these concerns.

As have similar anxieties elsewhere in the world, in Quebec they have been channeled into nationalism. That is what the Bloc is offering voters.


Story:
https://ca.news.yahoo.com/why-bloc-qu-b-cois-141134493.html

Quebec leads the Country in GDP growth, has a balanced budget, and receives the majority of Equalization money. Not hard to see how the Country is so divided?
 
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