Isn't that the stuff that players crave? Kinda like Brawndo?
Coaching and management changes around the league
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Obviously Edmonton does not care what Zach Hyman thinks.
herman
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Nah, Winnick's issue is guilt by association; I don't know what Hiller/Smith witnessed in their time alongside Babcock, but obviously they didn't/couldn't stop him or speak out about it (power dynamics at play), so I'm not surprised they'd get lumped in. When they've moved on on their own into head coaching roles, there have been no such issues expressed by players or staff to lend credence to them being similar psychobullies.
Hiller's Brawndo is that former player juice, where they provide coaching (more like skill consultant stuff) beyond adherence to the structure.
herman
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Zach Hyman was in Babcock's good books and vice versa.
I did not know that. I thought most of the team just before he was fired had been turned off by his tactics. Some players outright hate him, like Mike Commodore, and some come out and say that while he isn't a good person, he is a good coach, like Carlo Colaiacovo. I haven't seen too many come out and say that liked him as a person and as a coach.
At the end of the day though, he doesn't need to be likable by the players, as long as they buy in. Winnick may have a point though that his style inhibits buy in, and therefore won't be successful.
herman
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Everyone evaluates others and their utility towards reaching common goals etc.
I'm not qualified to psychologize, but based on what has been written, Babcock is the type of coach who presents two faces to the world. If he likes you or finds you valuable to reach his goals, he treats you great. Zach Hyman owes much of his career to the belief Babcock put in him for his heart and hustle despite the hands of stone. If Babcock thinks you are not valuable to him, he will go out of his way to sewer you in various micro and macro aggressive ways with the help of some very incisive observations. He's not going to bother trying to get the most out of every individual and will instead make you subtract yourself from the equation.
This pull quote is something
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Bettman probably got a 'shot-across-the-bow' letter from Babcock's lawyer
Defamation/slander speech is not quite as 'free' in Canada as it is in the US.
Once you allege something, you have to be able to back it up in a court.
I had no patience or tolerance for bullies.
My high school coach was one. I wouldn't play for him. Joined another league.
Defamation/slander speech is not quite as 'free' in Canada as it is in the US.
Once you allege something, you have to be able to back it up in a court.
I had no patience or tolerance for bullies.
My high school coach was one. I wouldn't play for him. Joined another league.
dappleganger
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Yeah, well. Dan is hopefully proven wrong.
Generations of my family served.
Among other things, my father trained soldiers in hand-to-hand combat for WW2
My brother and I also became marksmen and learned to live off the land with a hunting knife, etc.
Under his tutelage, I developed an attitude that I didn't have to take crap from anyone and could capably enforce that.
So I did. Once in a while, I did some good with it.
It was just part of the culture I grew up in. It was expected of us.
It wasn't that brave because if you are really good at it, most are not so you are not in that much danger.
I never got off on it. Quite the opposite.