A fair return for Nylander ?
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I'm not so sure that Nylander's ask for 10 million is all that outrageous. Huberdeau is making 10.5. Looking at the first 8 years of their careers, and the numbers are pretty similar. Also Nylander has played in more playoff games, and have about the same points per game in the playoffs as Huberdeau. So if you are signing Nylander for 8 years, that seems to be around where he should slot in.
Guilt Trip
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Tkachuk makes 9.5, Meier 8.8...no way in hell should he get more then Chucky.Significantly Insignificant said:
L K
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Guilt Trip said:
Meier's last three seasons: 209GP 87G 86A 173P (and 24 points in 46 career playoff games)
Nylander's last three seasons: 214GP 91G 118A 209P (and 40 points in 50 career playoff games)
I think Nylander's number has to come above 9 but I agree that he should probably make less than Tkachuck so my reasonable number would probably be in the 9.2-9.3 range. More than that and I think we are just going to bash our heads into the wall of "how do we build a team around this salary".
Guilt Trip
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And that's my point...worth more then Meier but not Chucky.L K said:
Guilt Trip
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He is better then Meier offensively and should make more then him. He's not remotely close to Tkachuk. I don't care where Tkachuk signed, the cap is the same and shouldn't get as much.Significantly Insignificant said:
Huberdeau was overpaid in hindsight and that's on Treliving. Having said that he has been over a pt/gm player 4 times and has the record for most assists in a season by a LW. He was also coming off a 115pt season. Willy has been a pt/gmplayer once. If Willy was coming off a 115pt season you'd have an argument. He's not even close and his defensive game is severely lacking.
Kin
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In the three years prior to their deals being signed Tkachuk edged Nylander in PPG by a hair (1.01 to .98) while Nylander had a better GPG (.43 to .39) and playoff record (25 points in 25 games to 12 in 18 for Tkachuk)
Combine that with cap inflation, the Florida tax situation and the fact that I think Tkachuk still had a RFA year left and I'm not sure Nylander asking for more than Tkachuk did is all that out there.
But more to the point I really think we're missing the point of what free agent asks are about if we're looking at it in the context of "Is he better than this one particular player" and not "What would he likely be offered as a free agent".
I really think sometimes we tend to lose a little bit of common sense when we talk about pro sports negotiations. If you went to your boss with a request for a raise, which of these two things would be more influential in what you asked for; arguments your boss made about how good you are at your job? Or having an actual offer from another company for the salary you want?
Combine that with cap inflation, the Florida tax situation and the fact that I think Tkachuk still had a RFA year left and I'm not sure Nylander asking for more than Tkachuk did is all that out there.
But more to the point I really think we're missing the point of what free agent asks are about if we're looking at it in the context of "Is he better than this one particular player" and not "What would he likely be offered as a free agent".
I really think sometimes we tend to lose a little bit of common sense when we talk about pro sports negotiations. If you went to your boss with a request for a raise, which of these two things would be more influential in what you asked for; arguments your boss made about how good you are at your job? Or having an actual offer from another company for the salary you want?
Guru Tugginmypuddah
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Nik said:
That's the crux of the issue.
The proposal is, Nylander isn't worth over $10m a year, let's find a sucker who thinks he is, fleece them in a trade, profit!
If Nylander makes it to FA status, you just know that some team out there is going to give him $11m+ a year. Yes it sucks for the Leafs for another year until #91 contract expires. You just don't find players like Nylander for zero acquisition costs.
PAY THE MAN! Let the chips fall where they may and deal with the cap as you go.
azzurri63
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Not sure how negotiations are going with Willy but if I was Trev I would be all over Keller from the Coyotes. Said he wants out. Similar numbers to Willy, only 24 and signed for another 5 years at just over 7 million. Don?t think you?ll be losing much for offence. Arizona I?m sure not on Nylander?s list but maybe a 3 team deal. Great replacement, good contract and save us a couple million a year at least. Thoughts?
azzurri63 said:
1) Were you trying to give people a heart attack by posting that in main and with that title?
2) It's not the worst idea from a Leafs perspective. Keller's a solid PPG forward and on a great contract. But for that reason it also doesn't make any sense for Arizona to trade him.
bustaheims
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azzurri63 said:
Keller's been riding an inflated shooting percentage the last couple seasons. If he can't keep that up, the Leafs will lose a good chunk of offence there.
Also, no way Nylander signs an extension in Arizona.
EDIT: I'd also be wary of the "Ponikarovsky effect" AKA being the guy who puts up decent numbers for bad teams but struggles with good teams. With the Yotes, Keller almost certainly faced backup goalies more frequently that he would with the Leafs, and also likely had a number of nights where the team he was playing against didn't necessarily give 100% because, well, they were playing the Coyotes.
Kin
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I'm not sure how this trade is supposed to make sense for anyone. If Keller is roughly as good as Nylander, why would one of the poorest teams in the league trade a younger, cheaper player for his older, more expensive counterpart? And the idea of a third team involved makes even less sense because if Keller is as good as Nylander and this mythical third team is trading things to Arizona for Keller to flip Keller to the Leafs for Nylander, why wouldn't they just keep Keller?
azzurri63
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Nik said:
Keller stated a month ago he wants out of Arizona. So if he?s not wanting to go back what are the Coyotes options? Nylander I?m sure in his list of teams has Arizona not included thus you need a 3rd team. Sounds like he wants some changes and direction from the team. I guess his Dad made the comments after the new arena rejection. If he?s not happy and may want out he may be there to snag. Love Nylander to stay but not at around 10 million.