This List Needs Raycroft

[Rebel_1812]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2012/01/20/one_save/

The link shows the one hit wonder goaltenders of yesteryear.  Raycroft was a notable goalie missing.  I think everyone here would agree Raycroft only had one good season and one average season with "37 wins".

 

[L K]

Raycroft was a bust based off his first season, but how is a goaltender with 250 career starts and 280 overall appearances with a career .900 SV% a 'one-shot wonder'. 

He had one great season and a lot of mediocre ones with a few terrible ones thrown in for good measure.  That doesn't put hm anywhere near the class of the rest of the awful performances on that list.  Same reason having Steve Mason on there is stupid.  This is his first truly awful season and it ignores the fact that the team he is playing for is terrible too.  Mason's a good reason for why they are so bad though.

 

[bustaheims]

Same reason having Steve Mason on there is stupid.  This is his first truly awful season and it ignores the fact that the team he is playing for is terrible too.  Mason's a good reason for why they are so bad though.

While this may be his first truly awful season, his previous couple seasons were definitely below average.

 

[Zee]

I realize Raycroft was never embraced by the fans here (why, why?) but he's definitely not a one-year wonder type player.  He's still in the league and still able to win games.  As a backup goalie he's fine, he was just put into a position he couldn't handle.

 

[The Red Polar Bear]

I'll be honest, I never expected to enter a thread here where the majority of people are defending Raycroft.

Not that I disagree with what you said, I just didn't see it coming.

 

[Rebel_1812]

I'll be honest, I never expected to enter a thread here where the majority of people are defending Raycroft.

Yeah, what is next a thread about bringing JFJ back?

 

[L K]

Same reason having Steve Mason on there is stupid.  This is his first truly awful season and it ignores the fact that the team he is playing for is terrible too.  Mason's a good reason for why they are so bad though.

While this may be his first truly awful season, his previous couple seasons were definitely below average.

Oh, absolutely.  Career .900 SV% isn't good, its' well below average, but it does certainly put him in the Top 60 goaltenders type range.  I don't think a strong rookie season should automatically equal a guy flaming out when he managed to have an ok career.  I'm sure he'll find himself another job with another pro team and wind up somewhere near 300 career starts.  I don't think you can start that much over a career and say that a guy needs to be on a list of the 5 worst flame-out jobs.

Even a guy like Jim Carey, he never really had a dominant season.  His career best was a .913 SV% over 28 games as a rookie where he went 18-6-3.  It's his win total that inflated his value.  His next two best years were a 71 GP season with a .906 and a 40 GP .893 SV%.  He was never really a top tier goaltender

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

He's still in the league and still able to win games.

Although, to be more accurate, he is no longer in the league.

 

[Rebel_1812]

Same reason having Steve Mason on there is stupid.  This is his first truly awful season and it ignores the fact that the team he is playing for is terrible too.  Mason's a good reason for why they are so bad though.

While this may be his first truly awful season, his previous couple seasons were definitely below average.

Oh, absolutely.  Career .900 SV% isn't good, its' well below average, but it does certainly put him in the Top 60 goaltenders type range.  I don't think a strong rookie season should automatically equal a guy flaming out when he managed to have an ok career.  I'm sure he'll find himself another job with another pro team and wind up somewhere near 300 career starts.  I don't think you can start that much over a career and say that a guy needs to be on a list of the 5 worst flame-out jobs.

Even a guy like Jim Carey, he never really had a dominant season.  His career best was a .913 SV% over 28 games as a rookie where he went 18-6-3.  It's his win total that inflated his value.  His next two best years were a 71 GP season with a .906 and a 40 GP .893 SV%.  He was never really a top tier goaltender

how did he win a vezina trophy with Brodeur and Hasek still in the league?

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Bill Meltzer ‏@billmeltzer

Best of luck next season to former Stars goaltender Andrew Raycroft. He will play in Italy next season for Milan http://www.hockeymilano.it/main/

Italy eh.

 

[bustaheims]

Bill Meltzer ‏@billmeltzer

Best of luck next season to former Stars goaltender Andrew Raycroft. He will play in Italy next season for Milan http://www.hockeymilano.it/main/

Italy eh.

It might not a be a hockey hotbed, but I can certainly think of worse places to spend the winter.

 

[Zee]

Bill Meltzer ‏@billmeltzer

Best of luck next season to former Stars goaltender Andrew Raycroft. He will play in Italy next season for Milan http://www.hockeymilano.it/main/

Italy eh.

It might not a be a hockey hotbed, but I can certainly think of worse places to spend the winter.

Oh yeah Italy is a fantastic country to live in. So much history there.

 

[Bender]

Bill Meltzer ‏@billmeltzer

Best of luck next season to former Stars goaltender Andrew Raycroft. He will play in Italy next season for Milan http://www.hockeymilano.it/main/

Italy eh.

It might not a be a hockey hotbed, but I can certainly think of worse places to spend the winter.

Oh yeah Italy is a fantastic country to live in. So much history there.

ESP when you don't have to think about how you're going to feed your family like other average stiffs.

 

[Sudafederov]

37 vittorie!

 

[jonlleafs]

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2012/01/20/one_save/

The link shows the one hit wonder goaltenders of yesteryear.  Raycroft was a notable goalie missing.  I think everyone here would agree Raycroft only had one good season and one average season with "37 wins".

Thinking back now.  Can you imagine how many wins we would have had if we actually had a competent goalie?  If we had Belfour in his prime, he may have gotten 45 wins with that team that year.

 

[Joe S.]

The funny thing about that list is that most of the 'horrible' numbers they mention are the numbers that got Fuhr into the HOF.

 

[Rebel_1812]

Bill Meltzer ‏@billmeltzer

Best of luck next season to former Stars goaltender Andrew Raycroft. He will play in Italy next season for Milan http://www.hockeymilano.it/main/

Italy eh.

In italy they might not know how to shoot glove side high.

 

[Beowulf]

The funny thing about that list is that most of the 'horrible' numbers they mention are the numbers that got Fuhr into the HOF.

Completely different eras though, taken out of context Fuhr's numbers range from extremely mediocre to bad, but for the period he played they were excellent.

 

[Rebel_1812]

The funny thing about that list is that most of the 'horrible' numbers they mention are the numbers that got Fuhr into the HOF.

Completely different eras though, taken out of context Fuhr's numbers range from extremely mediocre to bad, but for the period he played they were excellent.

Yeah he should be compared to goalies with similar gear size.

 

[Joe S.]

The funny thing about that list is that most of the 'horrible' numbers they mention are the numbers that got Fuhr into the HOF.

Completely different eras though, taken out of context Fuhr's numbers range from extremely mediocre to bad, but for the period he played they were excellent.

I'm well aware. It doesn't change my opinion of him though. Put him on any other team and all of a sudden he's Don Beaupre or Mike Liut and not in the hall of fame.