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The Avengers: Infinity War/Endgame (Spoilers!)

herman

herman

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I haven't seen it yet.

I enjoyed this scene breakdown by the Russo brothers though, detailing an encounter Thor has with the Guardians, as seen in the trailers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-luQokOiBw

I'll check in on the thread again after Sunday!
 
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
I enjoyed it, for the most part, part of me feels a little cheated by the inevitability of what comes next though.
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Fairly standard comic book stuff though. I'll be ok with it as long as they don't bring EVERYONE back from the dead... only the people who were disintegrated at the end (sorry, Loki).

Also, I imagine that getting everyone back isn't going to be a straight-forward affair. It'll probably require some sacrifices by the heroes still around... so there will be real costs to what happened.
 
Interesting that the OG squad was left standing (now with something to actually Avenge).
The next slate of movies gives a pretty good indication of who is coming back. I'm guessing it'll be Time/Soul/Reality stone shenanigans with the old team passing the torch onto the new.
 
This wasn't a movie that was very deep on character development (Thanos, Thor, Wanda/Vision excepted), but it was very good at paying off a lot of the character setups from previous movies (Gamora/Nebula, Thor/Loki, Stark/Parker) and maintained a lot of their character/sense of humour/lackthereof beats from those movies as well.

I thought the Russos gave nice, weighty (and very quick) touchstone moments for the reunions done largely through acting, rather than dialogue.

"I am Loki, Prince of Asgard, rightful ruler of Jotunheim, Odison..." * SIGNIFICANT EYE CONTACT *

"Hi Bruce." *pause* "Nat." *linger* *cut to Falcon* "This is awkward..." while signposting the super creepy relationship of Wanda/Vision in the same shot

"Haircut?"
"Yeah! I see you've copied my beard."
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I also enjoyed that the STEM-kids both like the same memes.
 
I'm doing a bunch of MCU rewatches now because my wife has renewed interest after watching IW.

I guess this is leaning a bit into their Arrested Development experience, but a good chunk of the lines that I can recall are call backs to previous Avengers movies (especially AoU).

Apparently James Gunn wrote the dialogue for the Guardians, so that explains why there wasn't any discrepancy in their banter in this movie compared to their own.
 
https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/8gvsjv/massive_spoilers_joe_russo_confirms_several/

If you're interested in this sort of thing, Joe Russo visited and answered the questions of some high schoolers; a couple of them were kind enough to both record and transcribe the interaction.
 
Finally got to see Endgame and I genuinely dug it. I think that with the occasional misstep here or there they really did a remarkable job of somehow tying this 22 part story together with both genuinely good action setpieces(the Cap and Iron Man and Thor vs. Thanos fight in particular) and meaningful character moments. Evans and Downey(and Hemsworth, who was legitimately funny here) were significantly better in these roles than they needed to be and that drove this series to some really good places that the other big franchise flicks haven't found.

It didn't bat 1.000 as I don't think they ever made Hawkeye or Black Widow interesting enough characters to make their stuff worthwhile and very little about this made "sense" in any conventional meaning of the word but it was a lot of fun with surprising stakes. Considering the degree of difficulty in sticking this landing it really was an accomplishment and I think the scope of what Marvel has done over the last 10 years is pretty remarkable all things considered.

 
I liked it a lot; it really felt like three really good episodes of serialized cinematic television strung together. Nearly everyone got a moment without it being too kitschy. I could see the volta coming, but it still nailed the execution (the theatre I was in went banananuts).

I love that they rehabbed and paid off some of the weaker installments in the run up (Dark World, Age of Ultron). Tony and Steve's arcs intertwining throughout the 22 films and having them both take each other's advice to heart was exactly what I didn't know I needed to see.
 
Nik the Trik said:
Finally got to see Endgame and I genuinely dug it. I think that with the occasional misstep here or there they really did a remarkable job of somehow tying this 22 part story together with both genuinely good action setpieces(the Cap and Iron Man and Thor vs. Thanos fight in particular) and meaningful character moments. Evans and Downey(and Hemsworth, who was legitimately funny here) were significantly better in these roles than they needed to be and that drove this series to some really good places that the other big franchise flicks haven't found.

It didn't bat 1.000 as I don't think they ever made Hawkeye or Black Widow interesting enough characters to make their stuff worthwhile and very little about this made "sense" in any conventional meaning of the word but it was a lot of fun with surprising stakes. Considering the degree of difficulty in sticking this landing it really was an accomplishment and I think the scope of what Marvel has done over the last 10 years is pretty remarkable all things considered.
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The way I looked at the move was, on it's own it's a good movie.  Taking in the context of the last 10 years of 20+ films and a handful of television shows it was great.  I liked Infinity War better than End Game personally and I did kind of feel like it nuked Thanos back into generic big bad guy after making a much more nuanced villain in the last movie but I think it hit more than enough spots to make me happy.

I am somewhat wary of how they are going to keep things going in the next set of films though as I don't think Falcon America, Spiderman, maybe Thor, Captain Marvel and Black Panther are as good of a set to build a franchise around.

Mind you I'm excited for how they are able to input Fantastic Four and the X-men into the new movie universe as done right I think you have some great people to use. 

I'm absolutely down for the competent Dr. Doom or Galactus.
 
L K said:
The way I looked at the move was, on it's own it's a good movie.  Taking in the context of the last 10 years of 20+ films and a handful of television wit was great.  I liked Infinity War better than End Game personally and I did kind of feel like it nuked Thanos back into generic big bad guy after making a much more nuanced villain in the last movie but I think it hit more than enough spots to make me happy.
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I think your first point there is a really good way to put it. As to the second I agree but I think that the character work done in Infinity War for Thanos still resonated. They gave him some humanity, established himself as someone who didn't see what he was doing as being intrinsically wrong...still good stuff. Yes, the pivot to "Killing half of everyone didn't work...time to kill everyone!" does seem a little off in that respect but I guess the underlying idea there is that for all of his rationalization he is still kind of nuts.

L K said:
I am somewhat wary of how they are going to keep things going in the next set of films though as I don't think Falcon America, Spiderman, maybe Thor, Captain Marvel and Black Panther are as good of a set to build a franchise around.
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Something I was talking about was how with the people who are gone from the films gone, it leaves the Avengers a lot like the comics were back when I was a kid actually reading Marvel comics. Back then the big deal characters like Captain America, Spider-Man and what had you had their own books while the Avengers were sort of third tier cast-off characters like The Black Knight, Wonder Man and Jack of Hearts.

I think the gut reaction to the success of these movies is to just assume Disney will want to start loading up and get ready for the next Avengers movie but somehow I think that may not be the case. Like you say I think they're going to try to fold in stuff like the FF and the X-Men but I think that unless something happens semi-organically, Disney will be content to crank out individual hero movies and shows. I mean, even the money Endgame is making isn't a huge deal to Disney when compared to the potential they have for leveraging Marvel content into a streaming service/theme parks/whatever.
 
herman said:
In the trailer, Fury introduces a someone to Peter during his trip to London.
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No, I watched the trailer. I'm still not sure what you're talking about though.

SOME COMIC-BASED POTENTIAL SPOILERS BELOW

Unless you're talking about Mysterio's discussion of the existence of a Multi-Verse. While that may or may not play into their ideas for FF/X-Men integration, I'm going into this movie assuming that movie Mysterio, like comic book Mysterio, is a fraud who is staging the whole affair.
 
Nik the Trik said:
herman said:
In the trailer, Fury introduces a someone to Peter during his trip to London.
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No, I watched the trailer. I'm still not sure what you're talking about though.

SOME COMIC-BASED POTENTIAL SPOILERS BELOW

Unless you're talking about Mysterio's discussion of the existence of a Multi-Verse. While that may or may not play into their ideas for FF/X-Men integration, I'm going into this movie assuming that movie Mysterio, like comic book Mysterio, is a fraud who is staging the whole affair.
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That is what I'm talking about. I am assuming similar regarding that character, but I am also leaning on this particular story borrowing from a recent storyline where he also appears in the midst of PP meeting MM for the first time.
 
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