Sharp signs 5 year extension with Hawks.

[bustaheims]

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=373129

The Chicago Blackhawks have re-signed forward Patrick Sharp to a five-year contract extension worth $29.5 million

The average annual cap hit for the deal is $5.9 million per season.

 

[Bender]

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=373129

The Chicago Blackhawks have re-signed forward Patrick Sharp to a five-year contract extension worth $29.5 million

The average annual cap hit for the deal is $5.9 million per season.

Not bad, not great. Meh.

 

[Tigger]

One of the few scoring forwards gone from next years ufa list already, wow but good for Chicago, their primary forwards and D are locked up for the next 3 years with some cap room.

Should be interesting to see what Grabbo's demands might be from that.

 

[maplesyrup]

One of the few scoring forwards gone from next years ufa list already, wow but good for Chicago, their primary forwards and D are locked up for the next 3 years with some cap room.

Should be interesting to see what Grabbo's demands might be from that.

I don't know if we sgould be looking at the Sharp contract when trying to to see where Grabo fits in. I think there's a fairly significant gap there in the caliber of player.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Is Sharp an elite player or just a excellent player who benefits from the team he plays with?

 

[bustaheims]

I don't know if we sgould be looking at the Sharp contract when trying to to see where Grabo fits in. I think there's a fairly significant gap there in the caliber of player.

If Grabovski plays as well or better in 10/11 as he did in 09/10, that gap will look a lot smaller than you think.

 

[Tigger]

One of the few scoring forwards gone from next years ufa list already, wow but good for Chicago, their primary forwards and D are locked up for the next 3 years with some cap room.

Should be interesting to see what Grabbo's demands might be from that.

I don't know if we sgould be looking at the Sharp contract when trying to to see where Grabo fits in. I think there's a fairly significant gap there in the caliber of player.

Define 'significant', well contract wise anyways...

I think he's looking at something similar or more both in term and cap hit if he continues on as he has and makes it to ufa, he might give the Leafs a break but I'd bet not much of one if any. Sharp isn't playing centre regularly, though he probably could and one could say he's playing with better players, arguably, that should work in Grabbo's favour too.

 

[maplesyrup]

Define 'significant', well contract wise anyways...

Well short of 1 mil. per year? - Which is where I feel he falls. Sharp just got 5.9 x 5. Personally, I don't think Grabo should get 5 mil per year.... 4.5 (ish) over the same duration? - Just my opinion. 

 

[Kin]

Well short of 1 mil. per year? - Which is where I feel he falls. Sharp just got 5.9 x 5. Personally, I don't think Grabo should get 5 mil per year.... 4.5 (ish) over the same duration? - Just my opinion.

That strikes me as pretty wishful thinking considering Ville Leino just signed a more lucrative deal than that coming off a 19 goal, 53 point season on the wing. Like it or not if Grabo has another year where he's up around 30 goals and 60 points the Leafs will have to open the piggy bank.

The Leafs gave Connolly 4.75 million per. Hard to make the argument that Grabo won't be significantly more  sought after than Connolly.

 

[maplesyrup]

Well short of 1 mil. per year? - Which is where I feel he falls. Sharp just got 5.9 x 5. Personally, I don't think Grabo should get 5 mil per year.... 4.5 (ish) over the same duration? - Just my opinion.

That strikes me as pretty wishful thinking considering Ville Leino just signed a more lucrative deal than that coming off a 19 goal, 53 point season on the wing. Like it or not if Grabo has another year where he's up around 30 goals and 60 points the Leafs will have to open the piggy bank.

The Leafs gave Connolly 4.75 million per. Hard to make the argument that Grabo won't be significantly more  sought after than Connolly.

Not sure why you're hung up on the hit. There is a reason Connolly was only able to get a 2 year deal. We're talking 2 years vs 5 years and 9.5 mil. vs ~ 22.5 mil. Personally, I think bringing Connolly into the conversation with the Grabo deal is more flawed than doing so with Sharp.   

 

[maplesyrup]

Anyway, I tend to think that perhaps the Dubinsky deal is probably the most recent signing that struck me as an appropriate comparison for Grabs.

Edit:

Dubinsky: 25 years old, .70 pts/G last year, .57 pts/G for his career.
Grabovski: 27 years old,  .72 pts/G last year, .61 pts/G for his career.

Fairly comparable I'd say. 

 

[Tigger]

Define 'significant', well contract wise anyways...

Well short of 1 mil. per year? - Which is where I feel he falls. Sharp just got 5.9 x 5. Personally, I don't think Grabo should get 5 mil per year.... 4.5 (ish) over the same duration? - Just my opinion.

Those are ufa years and centres are hard to come by. Connolly's term was about his injury history but the man hasn't scored more than 18 goals in a season. The Leafs might not give Grabbo that kind of term and dollars but someone will, between the cap floor, comparisons and inflation, for sure.

Honestly, with continued success, if he'd take 4.5 on 5 years gm's would be lined up and fist fighting in the parking lot.

Personally I think you can compare almost any 2 contracts, fwiw, the Sharp deal is interesting to me because those are ufa years bought off the market with a player who is probably a little better than Grabbo but who also plays on a pretty deep team at a position with more available candidates. Look at Leino, sure, maybe a better one for wackiness is Tomas Fleischmann.

 

[Tigger]

Anyway, I tend to think that perhaps the Dubinsky deal is probably the most recent signing that struck me as an appropriate comparison for Grabs.

Edit:

Dubinsky: 25 years old, .70 pts/G last year, .57 pts/G for his career.
Grabovski: 27 years old,  .72 pts/G last year, .61 pts/G for his career.

Fairly comparable I'd say.

Except one will be ufa, one was rfa, no?

 

[maplesyrup]

Anyway, I tend to think that perhaps the Dubinsky deal is probably the most recent signing that struck me as an appropriate comparison for Grabs.

Edit:

Dubinsky: 25 years old, .70 pts/G last year, .57 pts/G for his career.
Grabovski: 27 years old,  .72 pts/G last year, .61 pts/G for his career.

Fairly comparable I'd say.

Except one will be ufa, one was rfa, no?

Would that matter much?

 

[Tigger]

Anyway, I tend to think that perhaps the Dubinsky deal is probably the most recent signing that struck me as an appropriate comparison for Grabs.

Edit:

Dubinsky: 25 years old, .70 pts/G last year, .57 pts/G for his career.
Grabovski: 27 years old,  .72 pts/G last year, .61 pts/G for his career.

Fairly comparable I'd say.

Except one will be ufa, one was rfa, no?

Would that matter much?

Yeah, I think so.

 

[maplesyrup]

Anyway, I tend to think that perhaps the Dubinsky deal is probably the most recent signing that struck me as an appropriate comparison for Grabs.

Edit:

Dubinsky: 25 years old, .70 pts/G last year, .57 pts/G for his career.
Grabovski: 27 years old,  .72 pts/G last year, .61 pts/G for his career.

Fairly comparable I'd say.

Except one will be ufa, one was rfa, no?

Would that matter much?

Yeah, I think so.

So you're saying we'd have to pay a premium because Grabs is headed to UFA? I'm not sure I want to do that. Like I said earlier, 4.5(ish)  - just slightly higher than Dubinsky's number on a long-term deal is where I'm comfortable. If Grabs wants more, I hope Burke can find a nice deal for him prior to the deadline.     

 

[Tigger]

Like I said, look at Fleischmann, Florida gave him 4.5 over 4 years. Some team will pay that premium. I don't want Burke to break the bank for him either but imagine the team without him right now, like it or not that line clicks pretty fair and he's a big part of it. He's a funny player, gets knocked down a lot but he's feisty and doesn't back down plus he has really improved his overall game. It's a tough call and will depend in part on what BurkeandtheBurkettes think they can or can't replace him with.

 

[maplesyrup]

Like I said, look at Fleischmann, Florida gave him 4.5 over 4 years. Some team will pay that premium. I don't want Burke to break the bank for him either but imagine the team without him right now, like it or not that line clicks pretty fair and he's a big part of it. He's a funny player, gets knocked down a lot but he's feisty and doesn't back down plus he has really improved his overall game. It's a tough call and will depend in part on what BurkeandtheBurkettes think they can or can't replace him with.

I agree with last parts of that Tig... but God help us if we're looking to Florida as an example of how we should be building a hockey team.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

I think Burke would be stupid to give up on Grabo, especially if he doesn't have a concrete plan to replace him. Like Tigger says, he's a different player, but for whatever reason, he works and puts points on the board. I think he'll be even better this year and believe that Burke shouldn't take his time trying to re-sign him.

 

[maplesyrup]

I think Burke would be stupid to give up on Grabo, especially if he doesn't have a concrete plan to replace him. Like Tigger says, he's a different player, but for whatever reason, he works and puts points on the board. I think he'll be even better this year and believe that Burke shouldn't take his time trying to re-sign him.

Oh I agree completely. I just have a rough comfort level (contractually) with the player. 4.5 (ish) X 4/5 is what I'd to today... What he does this year leading up to the deadline will likely change how I feel about that number. Could improve, it may decrease - it's up to Grabs.